Poultry units killing the Wye

[unlacedgecko]

‘Blame chicken farms, not builders’ for toxic River Wye

Environmentalists in the Wye Valley have attacked a moratorium on housebuilding, saying that councils and government agencies should instead tackle waste pollut

www.thetimes.co.uk

Apparently 70% of River Wye pollution is directly attributable to agriculture, with sewage being a real minority player. Thoughts?

 

[BAF]

For $10000 is the increased pollution to local watercourses caused by

A: Them barsteward farmers trying to kill everything and everyone in the countryside
Or
B: Thousands of extra houses being built with all the associated tarmac allowing thousands of gallons of extra run off pour into the water courses and carry with it loads of increased pollution?

 

[andyt87]

Charles Watson who spent a career in lobbying and PR. A few highlights from his time as Chairman of Teneo- seems a real standup guy. Obviously would have zero chance of any relationships/lobbying now he's joined River Action

In 2016, Teneo was hired by McDonald's to combat Fight for $15, a campaign to raise the minimum wage.[51][52]

In 2019 Teneo was contracted to represent the planned Saudi Arabian city of NEOM, a project that has been criticized by human rights organizations.[61]

Teneo was involved in private arbitration in June 2019 over its involvement in the bidding process for the oil company Anadarko, with Teneo refuting allegations that it had violated conflict of interest provisions when working for two of the bidding companies.[64]

In October 2019, Teneo was revealed to have provided services to Oxycotin manufacturer Purdue Pharma.[65]
Reports of illegal use, misuse, abuse, and diversion of OxyContin prompted the FDA to take immediate actions. The FDA cited Purdue Pharma twice for using potentially false or misleading medical journal advertisements for OxyContin, which violated the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act 1938.

In 2020, it was reported that ex-managing director and Trump campaign strategist Jason Miller, previously fired for a series of incendiary comments on Twitter,[70] was still allegedly receiving payments from the company beyond the date of his termination.[71][72] Teneo sought to use Miller's connections to Republicans close to President Trump.[73]

 

[Pistonbroke]

Our river is a tributary of the wye and used to be full of trout and spawning salmon. Long before the increase in poultry sheds,the numbers came crashing down. The most fish were in the days of silage effluent,yard washings and sheep dip all going straight down the river. Livestock farms around here use a fraction of the bagged fert they used to due to the cost. Conclusion I've come to is that farming has sod all to do with the problem in the rivers.

 

[ringi]

There are far too many poultry units in that area, hence farms get the poultry muck practically for free, therefore it is not always valued and used carefully to get the maximum uptake by useful crops. When practically all farms that run into a river have access to cheep poultry muck the river will have problem even if no one is clearly breaking the rules.

A single poultry unit in the middle of an arable area will have little pollution into rivers etc as the poultry muck would be highly valued. Farming activities that are harmless to the environment when spread out can often become harmful when many other farms in the same area start doing it.

The same issues effect some dairy area where lots of dairy farmers maximising rates of return by have additional cows creating more slurry then is valued by the farms near them.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Charles Watson who spent a career in lobbying and PR. A few highlights from his time as Chairman of Teneo- seems a real standup guy. Obviously would have zero chance of any relationships/lobbying now he's joined River Action

In 2016, Teneo was hired by McDonald's to combat Fight for $15, a campaign to raise the minimum wage.[51][52]

In 2019 Teneo was contracted to represent the planned Saudi Arabian city of NEOM, a project that has been criticized by human rights organizations.[61]

Teneo was involved in private arbitration in June 2019 over its involvement in the bidding process for the oil company Anadarko, with Teneo refuting allegations that it had violated conflict of interest provisions when working for two of the bidding companies.[64]

In October 2019, Teneo was revealed to have provided services to Oxycotin manufacturer Purdue Pharma.[65]
Reports of illegal use, misuse, abuse, and diversion of OxyContin prompted the FDA to take immediate actions. The FDA cited Purdue Pharma twice for using potentially false or misleading medical journal advertisements for OxyContin, which violated the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act 1938.

In 2020, it was reported that ex-managing director and Trump campaign strategist Jason Miller, previously fired for a series of incendiary comments on Twitter,[70] was still allegedly receiving payments from the company beyond the date of his termination.[71][72] Teneo sought to use Miller's connections to Republicans close to President Trump.[73]

he sounds a lovely character!

 

[Steevo]

There are far too many poultry units in that area, hence farms get the poultry muck practically for free, therefore it is not always valued and used carefully to get the maximum uptake by useful crops. When practically all farms that run into a river have access to cheep poultry muck the river will have problem even if no one is clearly breaking the rules.

A single poultry unit in the middle of an arable area will have little pollution into rivers etc as the poultry muck would be highly valued. Farming activities that are harmless to the environment when spread out can often become harmful when many other farms in the same area start doing it.

The same issues effect some dairy area where lots of dairy farmers maximising rates of return by have additional cows creating more slurry then is valued by the farms near them.

On that logic, if the government were to incentivise and make it more cost effective to transport the litter further afield, perhaps this may happen more.

 

[Scholsey]

‘Blame chicken farms, not builders’ for toxic River Wye

Environmentalists in the Wye Valley have attacked a moratorium on housebuilding, saying that councils and government agencies should instead tackle waste pollut

www.thetimes.co.uk

Apparently 70% of River Wye pollution is directly attributable to agriculture, with sewage being a real minority player. Thoughts?

The ‘70%’ includes sewage sludge from domestic/commercial 15% which is disposed off on agricultural land.

 

[ringi]

On that logic, if the government were to incentivise and make it more cost effective to transport the litter further afield, perhaps this may happen more.

Much better to have incentives to put the units near the farms that grow the feed.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Much better to have incentives to put the units near the farms that grow the feed.

It does seem daft hauling pellets from the other side of the country but the situation is not as simple as some think. There's half the number of sucklers through mid Wales due to tb and the amount of fertilizer spread is a fraction of what it was. Let's face it ,most livestock farms just threw 20:10:10 on everything regardless what was needed and the big application of poultry muck is further downstream where the arable men are. There's plenty of Powys poultry farms that have had their rivers tested above and below them and the results are the same,it's Hereford /Ross where the levels are high,but that's where the sewage issue is bigger aswell. NRW bloke told me years ago,farms are an easy target because they can be threatened with subsidy cuts and fines. Try telling a towny not to sh!t so much

 

[Raider112]

Most of those quotes are by environmentalists who clearly have an agenda, at the same time if Tony Juniper said today was Thursday I would want to check.
The quote about numbers of chickens v the number of people sounds impressive but if the chicken sh1t is spread on the land but the sewage pumped directly into the river it means nothing.

 

[Kevtherev]

On that logic, if the government were to incentivise and make it more cost effective to transport the litter further afield, perhaps this may happen more.

Burn it = fibrophos

 

[bluebell]

"common sense"? The water, sewage companies have now "reluctantly" had to admit that the sewage/water system, infrustructure, pipework, processing plants etc, is way below capacity, the massive amount of housing, developments, etc has totally "over loaded" the system now, now, that dosnt even address the building, planned building that going on now or the near future?

 

[bluebell]

I thought, that leaving the EU, that i still think was the right thing, the UK would for one, be able to sort out "our" the UKs energy requirements, whats best for the people and its industry, ie cut out this "ludicrious" importing of woodchip, thousands of miles to then burn in a powerstation, the company of which runs its then gets a big fat "green" energy subsidy from the govt. because when we were EU "members" it was then classed as a "green renewable", same in my opinion of burning baled straw? how can baling, transporting straw with all the costs involved make sense? I can see an argument made to burn a "waste" product such as sewage to create gas to generate electric, or burn household rubbish that would otherwise end up in landfill as foodwaste as well, that all makes common sense?

 

[Werzle]

It does seem daft hauling pellets from the other side of the country but the situation is not as simple as some think. There's half the number of sucklers through mid Wales due to tb and the amount of fertilizer spread is a fraction of what it was. Let's face it ,most livestock farms just threw 20:10:10 on everything regardless what was needed and the big application of poultry muck is further downstream where the arable men are. There's plenty of Powys poultry farms that have had their rivers tested above and below them and the results are the same,it's Hereford /Ross where the levels are high,but that's where the sewage issue is bigger aswell. NRW bloke told me years ago,farms are an easy target because they can be threatened with subsidy cuts and fines. Try telling a towny not to sh!t so much

Too much poultry litter being spread on grassland perhaps rather than the 20.10.10. I thought at one time they werent blaming the spread litter, rather the run off from free range laying hens paddocks up and around the ithon river when it pours with rain. Algae blooms in the wye already which grabs the attention of the general public. In my opinion its not helped by spreading litter on grassland or by water abstraction lowering levels and warming the water, i would ban both.

 

[CPF]

There are far too many poultry units in that area, hence farms get the poultry muck practically for free, therefore it is not always valued and used carefully to get the maximum uptake by useful crops. When practically all farms that run into a river have access to cheep poultry muck the river will have problem even if no one is clearly breaking the rules.

A single poultry unit in the middle of an arable area will have little pollution into rivers etc as the poultry muck would be highly valued. Farming activities that are harmless to the environment when spread out can often become harmful when many other farms in the same area start doing it.

The same issues effect some dairy area where lots of dairy farmers maximising rates of return by have additional cows creating more slurry then is valued by the farms near them.

After running a poultry house cleaning and relocation of poultry muck company ,around the country, for quite a few years. Then selling the business which is Incorporated to other PHC which is still going .
We was moving lots of poultry muck a year
We never gave away free muck to anyone or sold it cheep.
All chicken farmers know it got a value to it.
We worked with farmers and agronomist to work out their requirements for the year so no one was over loading there land .
We had very big land bank (farmers requiring this highly valuable product )
To my knowledge of today muck is not being giving away.
It’s not all down to chicken muck being used , There is so many other product being used which is adding to the situation .

 

[Werzle]

After running a poultry cleaning out and relocation of poultry muck company ,around the country, for quite a few years. Then selling the business which is Incorporated to other PC which is still going .
We was moving lots of poultry muck a year
We never gave away free muck to anyone or sold it cheep.
All chicken farmers know it got a value to it.
We worked with farmers and agronomist to work out their requirements for the year so no one was over loading there land .
We had very big land bank (farmers requiring this highly valuable product )
To my knowledge of today muck is not being giving away.
It’s not all down to chicken muck being used , There is so many other product being used which is adding to the situation .

Not knowing the power in either of the manures i see far more digestate and dairy slurry being over applied than chicken litter, its far harder to export any distance than litter. Last years fert price was so high i dont think alot of farmers could even source chicken litter

 

[lloyd]

‘Blame chicken farms, not builders’ for toxic River Wye

Environmentalists in the Wye Valley have attacked a moratorium on housebuilding, saying that councils and government agencies should instead tackle waste pollut

www.thetimes.co.uk

Apparently 70% of River Wye pollution is directly attributable to agriculture, with sewage being a real minority player. Thoughts?

Thoughts ,i'm moving to Fife .

 

[Pistonbroke]

Not knowing the power in either of the manures i see far more digestate and dairy slurry being over applied than chicken litter, its far harder to export any distance than litter. Last years fert price was so high i dont think alot of farmers could even source chicken litter

I have a cousin in Hereford shire with several broiler sheds and all the muck goes in artic's to Oxfordshire somewhere to an AD plant. I'd have thought there were enough men locally wanting it ,but the firm taking it guarantee to take every bit as it comes out of the door. Job done

 

[Woolless]

Many other contributing factors I'm sure but I would be surprised if a high concentration of these units wasn't contributing somehow to this.
However, it's not just the nasty farmers' fault, is it? What about the folk lining up in Tesco to buy their £3 chicken? Or the supermarkets for squeezing the supply chain to produce protein at near enough their own expense?