Quickie Q46 loader Broken !

[Ffermer Bach]

Just my observation from this repair.

I wouldn't have designed this repair kit to just butt on 90deg to the loader frame like that, of cause i have not seen the design of the frame first hand so might not be possible but a 45deg joint would provide more weld contact area and be much stronger than a 90 deg butt on the end

I don't do these types of repairs anymore myself, cant take the risk when doing it for customers, if i had to arrange it then i would do all the disassembly and cleaning etc in preparation for some one like Segar welding to come and do the actual welding. Passing the buck i know but i have no official qualifications on paper for welding which as we all know its only the paper work that matters these days not if you can actually do the job or not

it is a pretty poor show, that we can no longer rely on the skills and knowledge of trained man, but instead rely on "paperwork" to prove compliance (remember Grenfille Towers, passed all the compliance paperwork when it was refurbished, as did the twin towers when they were built).

 

[ACEngineering]

Neither folks, all sound advice to posters that are asking for said advice. Dont know why people are getting defensive. Some of the post Ive read are misinformed, criminal and amateurish. Agriculture can be a dangerous industry which should be treated with respect. Currently it has the worst fatal accident record in the UK, almost 1 person per week does not go home.

Maybe if the lola testers had a clue about what they are testing that would help. Never met one yet that i would call competent in any way shape of form to test anything more technical an a wheel barrow

 

[Dr Sensible]

it is a pretty poor show, that we can no longer rely on the skills and knowledge of trained man, but instead rely on "paperwork" to prove compliance (remember Grenfille Towers, passed all the compliance paperwork when it was refurbished, as did the twin towers when they were built).

Its lucky we do have paper trials otherwise there would be nobody to take to task after his horrendous tragedy.

 

[Dr Sensible]

All the best for 2022.

 

[avag]

I see the photos, could you up load the instructions for the repair including engineering drawings, welding instructions and post repair tests, including load test.

I’ll gladly send them to you if you have one to repair and need it to feed cows, but if youre hse/lola/vulcan or some other pen pushing police bored over christmas holidays you can bugger off

 

[avag]

Just my observation from this repair.

I wouldn't have designed this repair kit to just butt on 90deg to the loader frame like that, of cause i have not seen the design of the frame first hand so might not be possible but a 45deg joint would provide more weld contact area and be much stronger than a 90 deg butt on the end

I don't do these types of repairs anymore myself, cant take the risk when doing it for customers, if i had to arrange it then i would do all the disassembly and cleaning etc in preparation for some one like Segar welding to come and do the actual welding. Passing the buck i know but i have no official qualifications on paper for welding which as we all know its only the paper work that matters these days not if you can actually do the job or not

Yeah i agree with you on the design of it but theyre off the shelf and does the job but agree quicke could have designed something better,
Also agree with you about paperwork stopping competent engineers/welders carying out repairs i stopped welding trailer eyes on for that reason it wasnt worth the hassle for the job, back 15 years ago i would have built complete bale trailers

 

[Dr Sensible]

I’ll gladly send them to you if you have one to repair and need it to feed cows, but if youre hse/lola/vulcan or some other pen pushing police bored over christmas holidays you can bugger off

I honestly dont know why your getting so defensive and I would hope I may pick up on new info as you never stop learning even at my age. Im no police just someone chewing the fat with a professional head on. I may come across as someone from the FBI but not my intension, I'm merely passing on the knowledge I have and listening to other folks views at the same time. If I say something wrong I will take it on the chin. Im sure there are plenty out there that may want some info and I may be able to help. As I said all the best for 2022.

 

[Lakesdigger]

Re welding loader up and safety/testing. Tractor loader has no check valves/ safely devices to cover a hose failure etc so shouldn't be doing any lifting where anybody is present. This is unlike a telehandler which has all the safety features so realistically a lot of tick boxing doesn't exist for a tractor. It's a bit like the difference beteween ag and commercial spec steel frame building, comm spec the same size has much bigger spec steel etc but it's to cover a much higher % of human occupation and therefore risk.

 

[Dr Sensible]

Most loaders SWL is only 1000 kg which is why they don't need check valves or other safety devices. Anything that lifts above 1000 kg should have audible and visual warning for the operator to detect an approaching overload situation. Thats is probably why they are limited to 1000 kg, same on back hoe loaders 1000kg front and back, although the larger back hoes that can lift above 1000 kg will have a crane button in the cab to activate the overload system when on crane duties. Most front loaders will be limited by way of the attachment they use anyway the problem lies when an enormous bucket not compatible with the loader is fitted or a set of pallet forks which you could attempt to lift a lot of things.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Most loaders SWL is only 1000 kg which is why they don't need check valves or other safety devices. Anything that lifts above 1000 kg should have audible and visual warning for the operator to detect an approaching overload situation. Thats is probably why they are limited to 1000 kg, same on back hoe loaders 1000kg front and back, although the larger back hoes that can lift above 1000 kg will have a crane button in the cab to activate the overload system when on crane duties. Most front loaders will be limited by way of the attachment they use anyway the problem lies when an enormous bucket not compatible with the loader is fitted or a set of pallet forks which you could attempt to lift a lot of things.

Most loaders are limited by overload valves that restrict lifting excessive loads. Normally the operators limit loads by the tightness of their buttcheeks, before hydraulic limitations kick in.

BTW i have a modern 2.2 tonne capacity and you are talking about things i don't recognise.

 

[Lakesdigger]

Most loaders SWL is only 1000 kg which is why they don't need check valves or other safety devices. Anything that lifts above 1000 kg should have audible and visual warning for the operator to detect an approaching overload situation. Thats is probably why they are limited to 1000 kg, same on back hoe loaders 1000kg front and back, although the larger back hoes that can lift above 1000 kg will have a crane button in the cab to activate the overload system when on crane duties. Most front loaders will be limited by way of the attachment they use anyway the problem lies when an enormous bucket not compatible with the loader is fitted or a set of pallet forks which you could attempt to lift a lot of things.

I don't think swl etc apply to a loader designed for use with a bucket like a tractor loader. Yes they apply to a lifting machine but a loader isn't designed as such. A lot of diggers out there with no loler requirement as they only do bucket work, hang a chain on and it's a different story.

 

[celtis man]

Good evening Dr . I have been reading your musings about our fore end loader which has now been repaired and rebushed too just to make sure .
Now the Quickie loader it's self should never really have broken as it's always been greased and maintained the fault really is in the manufacture and the welding together / the pivot bush which broke out was only welded in 3 points it was no wonder in work it gave up ! plus there are no end caps welded into the boom end for extra strength. hope that helps

Im merely advising that it is unusual for manufacturer to produce repair kits to load bearing equipment and if they do they would ask you follow their instructions as they are partially liable post repair. If you carry out a repair to load bearing equipment on your own without the makers (or equivalent) advice then you take on all of that liability yourself. Just looking out for folks to keep them right. Repairs to load bearing equipment can involve lots of post testing including NDT overload test and recertification depending on what it is. Welding can weaken parent metal work which is why you should follow professional advice.

 

[Dr Sensible]

Hi Celtis man, if you think think the loader has broken through normal usage but has failed you should take this up with the manufacturer or supplier. Items if maintained should not fail in normal usage.

 

[Dr Sensible]

I don't think swl etc apply to a loader designed for use with a bucket like a tractor loader. Yes they apply to a lifting machine but a loader isn't designed as such. A lot of diggers out there with no loler requirement as they only do bucket work, hang a chain on and it's a different story.

 

[Dr Sensible]

If in any doubt drop the maker an email explaining the circumstances and take it from there.