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[gone up the hill]

There is too much talk of 'only a few folk will die- more die of flu' on this forum. It needs to cease now.

I am less than 40 years old, have no underlying health conditions and generally consider myself in reasonable nick if the blood test 18 months ago was anyting to go by.

This does not mean any Doctor in the land can guarantee I am at zero risk from corona virus. The same is true of anyone on this forum.

Suppose I did catch it and ended up in respiratory distress. An ambulance is called, I get taken to hospital and put on oxygen. Might not be enough. If you can't breathe for yourself a machine does it for you. There is not an unlimited supply of them.

We must not engage in any activity that creates more cases in short order which will invariably increase the number of cases which do deteriorate into needing intensive care.

Every man Jack of us has a reasonable chance of surviving infection by this thing. What I'm not so confident of are my chances if I desperately require a ventilator and there is not one available- won't be many sides on that dice as far as I can see.

On this forum we have one nutter claiming we are Italy number 2 and they won't be able to bury the bodies fast enough. Another spanner reckons this 'flu' is less worrying than the threat of closing livestock marts and the terrible blow this would have on the pishing beef industry ffs.

There is no way you can justify farm inspections in the circumstances. The idea they should continue is a joke. The risk to the inspector is far greater than the reverse.

What a load of bollox you write Ollie.

Millions of people will lose their jobs/ homes and everything they have if the country is shut down for months on end, I appreciate someone like yourself who hasn't worked in what 1/2 years now wouldn't care about this but millions of people are really worried about their jobs/ businesses etc.

Over 10,0000 people in the UK are infected, has been what 55 deaths of elderly people of which many got it overseas and nearly all off then had very serious underlying health conditions.

NHS is a basket case and long overdue for reform, far too many bone lazy/ incompetent managers/ nurses and consultants working in the NHS that do more damage than good.

If you are so concerned about the NHS Ollie then go and volunteer for them tomorrow, but of course you will have a list of excuse's as long as your arm why you cannot!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

What a load of bollox you write Ollie.

Millions of people will lose their jobs/ homes and everything they have if the country is shut down for months on end, I appreciate a freeloader like yourself who hasn't worked in what 1/2 years now wouldn't care about this but millions of people are really worried about their jobs/ businesses etc.

Over 10,0000 people in the UK are infected, has been what 55 deaths of elderly people of which many got it overseas and nearly all off then had very serious underlying health conditions.

NHS is a basket case and long overdue for reform, far too many bone lazy/ incompetent managers/ nurses and consultants working in the NHS that do more damage than good.

If you are so concerned about the NHS Ollie then go and volunteer for them tomorrow, but of course you will have a list of excuse's as long as your arm why you cannot!

Now that’s blunt

 

[gone up the hill]

Now that’s blunt

I don't mean any offence to Ollie but he needs to stop writing this scare mongering rubbish at a time like this, millions of people will now lose their jobs with the governments advice to stay away from pubs/ clubs/ resturants etc and job losses will only get much worse!

Easy to spout what he does when you don't have to work to survive!

 

[DRC]

I don't mean any offence to Ollie but he needs to stop writing this scare mongering rubbish at a time like this, millions of people will now lose their jobs with the governments advice to stay away from pubs/ clubs/ resturants etc and job losses will only get much worse!

Easy to spout what he does when you don't have to work to survive!

Remind us who was scaremongering about the markets closing yesterday.

 

[traineefarmer]

What a load of bollox you write Ollie.

Millions of people will lose their jobs/ homes and everything they have if the country is shut down for months on end, I appreciate a freeloader like yourself who hasn't worked in what 1/2 years now wouldn't care about this but millions of people are really worried about their jobs/ businesses etc.

Over 10,0000 people in the UK are infected, has been what 55 deaths of elderly people of which many got it overseas and nearly all off then had very serious underlying health conditions.

NHS is a basket case and long overdue for reform, far too many bone lazy/ incompetent managers/ nurses and consultants working in the NHS that do more damage than good.

If you are so concerned about the NHS Ollie then go and volunteer for them tomorrow, but of course you will have a list of excuse's as long as your arm why you cannot!

I can't agree with you on the personal attack on Ollie as I don't know him and often agree with his post on here, but your other observations are very correct and I would add that the media as usual are being very unhelpful by whipping up panic and anxiety among the public.

 

[gone up the hill]

I can't agree with you on the personal attack on Ollie as I don't know him and often agree with his post on here, but your other observations are very correct and I would add that the media as usual are being very unhelpful by whipping up panic and anxiety among the public.

My post is certainly not meant as a personal attack on Ollie but its easy to say shut down all businesses for months on end when you don't have a job that will be affected!

 

[DRC]

I can't agree with you on the personal attack on Ollie as I don't know him and often agree with his post on here, but your other observations are very correct and I would add that the media as usual are being very unhelpful by whipping up panic and anxiety among the public.

But what about the panic and anxiety that Guthrie whipped up yesterday . How many farmers were wondering if they could sell their stock this week.

 

[DRC]

My post is certainly not meant as a personal attack on Ollie but its easy to say shut down all businesses for months on end when you don't have a job that will be affected!

Couldn’t have got more personal

 

[gone up the hill]

Remind us who was scaremongering about the markets closing yesterday.

No Scare mongering by me, all I did was pass on what was being said at market on Saturday.

Fast moving situation and I updated the forum with the latest information this morning as soon as it was given to me.

 

[DRC]

No Scare mongering by me, all I did was pass on what was being said at market on Saturday.

Fast moving situation and I updated the forum with the latest information this morning as soon as it was given to me.

Gosh, you are the chosen one. The market mouthpiece. You did spread the gossip as fact , and you did call Ollie a freeloader that hadn’t worked in 2 yrs, then said it wasn’t a personal attack.
Do you struggle with social boundaries ?

 

[Sid]

No Scare mongering by me, all I did was pass on what was being said at market on Saturday.

Fast moving situation and I updated the forum with the latest information this morning as soon as it was given to me.

But it took a phone call from a director of GTH ,prompted by someone, for you to change tune.
But so called staff you spoke toon Saturday gave opposite view.
You didnt search out the truth but gave the market gossip.
What if farmers had abandoned that market and people had to be laid off ?

Loose lips sinks ships!?

 

[gone up the hill]

Gosh, you are the chosen one. The market mouthpiece. You did spread the gossip as fact , and you did call Ollie a freeloader that hadn’t worked in 2 yrs, then said it wasn’t a personal attack.
Do you struggle with social boundaries ?

I did NOT state the information as fact, all said is that the information came from people that would know the current situation.


Olllie hasn't worked in 1/2 years according to his posts on here, he wants to become a doctor so I would have thought given the current situation he would be straight off down to the local hospital/ nursing home to see if he could help as a volunteer, perhaps even volunteering to deliver vital meds/ food etc to people over 70 that have been/ will be forced to self isolate at home.

 

[Neddy flanders]

to be fair, I load grain from the previous years harvest many times after harvest. why do I need an annual RT inspection? what really changes ?

 

[gone up the hill]

But it took a phone call from a director of GTH ,prompted by someone, for you to change tune.
But so called staff you spoke toon Saturday gave opposite view.
You didnt search out the truth but gave the market gossip.
What if farmers had abandoned that market and people had to be laid off ?

Loose lips sinks ships!?

You don't half talk some rubbish to try and make yourself look good/clever.

My view all weekend on here was that livestock markets would be carrying on beyond the end of next weekend and im glad that as things stand that has been proved correct

All I did was report what farmers at the market were being told might happen for markets going forward.

 

[ollie989898]

That I have not worked a stroke in 2 years was something of a surprise to me I must admit. Better hope the wife doesn't find out....lol.

As for crowds and gatherings well obviously a livestock market couldn't possibly constitute a gathering of people who would be at risk even of being laid out for 48 hours by the flu, no wonder these critically important events are continuning.

 

[farmerm]

These people aren't reported. There was a Dr on bbc this morning who had recovered after feeling under the weather for 48hrs. Is she still listed under cases?

There will be many people who get the virus and many people who have an illness and wrongly assume it to be this virus, truth is testing is limited so the total number of infected people will never really be known... As the virus is now appears to be uncontainable and it is expected to go though most of the population all that really matters now is trying to constrain the number of patients that require critical care on any given day, most of the population will be infected, we must try to spread when... Lets say 40 million eventually get infected over the next 6 months, say we see a peak where 30% of all infections occurring during June.. that means 12 million people infected during June, most will not present at hospital but it seems around 15% of infections need significant medical intervention... I hope someone can correct me but as far as I know this 15% figure stands up even for South Korea who have undertaken a massive effort to identify all cases and not just those presenting at hospital. The UK is letting many suspected less serious cases go by untested and unrecorded and concentrating testing on more seriously ill patients... Given this testing policy we should expect out total number of cases to be under reported but our percentage of reported cases that require medical intervention will likely be above the 15% measure.

If we have 12 million people with the infection (both confirmed and not) and 15% need significant medical intervention it would put 1.8million patients literally dying on the streets outside our hospitals in June!!!

If by some miracle we can increase the capacity from around 6000 beds to perhaps staff and equip 20,000 beds, our health service could still only support a peak infection of 135,000 people if 15% of all infected require medical attention... Once patient numbers exceed capacity to treat them the mortality rate goes skyward.

If we say we can not afford to peak at over 135,000 infections just how many months does it take to reach 40million + infected and cured... when heard immunity states to apply It not months, its years...

I sincerely hope the Chief medical officer has a better calculator than I do else the "Department of work and pensions" may as well get rebranded as the "Department of work" for a few years... as there wont be many pensioners left to pay out!

This current policy is only going to work if we are going to very strictly isolate those over 60 and higher risk individuals whilst actively encouraging rapid transmission of the disease between those who are at lower risk... doing so reduces the percentage that will require medical intervention and get us to the point of herd immunity.

 

[ollie989898]

All a load of worry-warts you lot.


Tis only the flu: that's what some bloke at market told me yesterday. Might ask him about my verruca next week. Did you know the Grand-national only had to be cancelled because of particularly acute shortage of tonic?

 

[farmerm]

All a load of worry-warts you lot.


Tis only the flu: that's what some bloke at market told me yesterday. Might ask him about my verruca next week. Did you know the Grand-national only had to be cancelled because of particularly acute shortage of tonic?

It only kills 1% of the population that's not many is it Its only about the same as the UK's typical death rate of about 600,000 for every 66 million. Of course those deaths are spread out across the year not concentrated in 3 or 4 months

 

[ollie989898]

It only kills 1% of the population that's not many is it Its only about the same as the UK's typical death rate of about 600,000 for every 66 million. Of course those deaths are spread out across the year not concentrated in 3 or 4 months

'Ah but it's only 1%' is of no consequence to anyone though: dead is dead.

 

[som farmer]

As a rather to frequent hospital patient, I would like to commend the nursing staff, they are fantastic, unfortuently I cannot say the same about the management, so how the f### they are going to cope with this, the answer is, they will not. Somewhere, some planners, hidden deep in some guv department, are working out, how many people the country can afford to lose, to safeguard the economic safety for the survivors, a very sobering thought. Basically the country is now on a war footing, which gives the guv unlimited control, and they can force firms to produce medical supplies, can take over hotels for emergency hospltals, etc. And I hope they do, it is what is needed. But you will see, how a section of people, will fight tooth and nail to stop that happening, 'a breech of our human rights', what a load of f/ing idiots. All we can do, is take the guvs advice, be sensible, not do anything stupid, and most importantly, not to panic.
Just listening to an Italian lady, complaining the rules over there, stopped her visiting her dying mother, from corona !!!! WTF, you couldn't dream it up. What happens after corona, is as important, as what is happening now.