Removing Ad Blue

[nowtofajob]

The days of AdBlue delete in the trucking world is starting to be numbered, besides nowadays they are sufficiently reliable that costly breakdowns are rare enough.
*At least if you look at Scania or Volvo...

Yes I think the DAF system is most troublesome.

 

[AgriTuner]

Of all the people I spoke to they were still using the knock sensor,so we just sorted the system out and still use it,not sure were having it switched off will end

LOL, for the third time, it's NOx sensor. Sensor measuring nitrogen oxides in the exhaust.

 

[Suppin Diesel]

Got a JCB handler with Ad Blue but it has never used any Ad Blue from it came home. Dealer says there is a software fix to get it going. Not sure what to do as it's going fine and no error codes coming up. But will it give bother later on as the pump runs and there is Ad Blue in the tank that might crystallize ?

 

[kiwi pom]

Not any more. It is viewed as a very serious offence and anyone caught with adblue deleted would struggle to keep there operators licence. Tractors are getting away with it at the moment.

There does seem to be a few that have lost their operators licence because of it in the UK. I think I read somewhere that there was going to be a crack down here too.
Is it legal to delete it on tractors I wonder?
How do those that offer a delete service (and advertise the fact they do it) get on? Is it legal to do but not operate, what's the loophole?
Bit of a shi*y thing to do in my opinion, getting an advantage by cheating but everyone has their own personal standards.

 

[Speedstar]

LOL, for the third time, it's NOx sensor. Sensor measuring nitrogen oxides in the exhaust.

They are are all so a temp sender for the ECU as well

 

[rusty]

Got a JCB handler with Ad Blue but it has never used any Ad Blue from it came home. Dealer says there is a software fix to get it going. Not sure what to do as it's going fine and no error codes coming up. But will it give bother later on as the pump runs and there is Ad Blue in the tank that might crystallize ?

We have a 6 month old 320s with about 500 hours on clock .Think we have only done one adblu refill.

 

[Suppin Diesel]

Our 320 has over 1000 hours and hasn't used any. Though sender in the Ad blue tank was faulty as read out on dash never dropped.

 

[AgriTuner]

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Is it legal to delete it on tractors I wonder?
How do those that offer a delete service (and advertise the fact they do it) get on? Is it legal to do but not operate, what's the loophole?
Bit of a shi*y thing to do in my opinion, getting an advantage by cheating but everyone has their own personal standards.

The problem is that technology is not ready for the current emission standard but lacks years back when talking about reliable function. When emission device problem kills the whole tractor for the third or fourth time with facing another bill of thousand £$€ I'm sure it's tempting to give it the 'final repair'. People care more and more about the environment but wasting money has it's limits. As long as the device is ok and using/storing Adblue is arranged properly people usually have no problem with the whole thing.

It's been a bit too fast with the EU/EPA tier legislation, technology not keeping up and CONTROL of the whole mess totally lacking. I'd consider the possibility to delete these devices as 'buffer' between the theory and practice of emission regulation. Those that are hit hardest can be helped.

 

[Superted820]

My new Holland T7.210 tier 4b uses a horrendous amount of adblue. It’s the only machine I run that has adblue and I’m on my 2nd ibc container this year. A guy that does remapping tells me that there is a delete system coming but not yet. I will certainly get it done as soon as possible.

 

[AgriTuner]

I don't know why they need to go to 99% NOx removal in tier 4b when it was about 80% on t4a. It's a huge leap and makes Adblue consumption go significantly higher. If they kept t4a a few years more perfecting the technology I'm sure the end result would have been better.

That said, Derv Doctor already has solution for t4b CNH.

 

[roscoe erf]

it's very common in the truck world

Not any more it ain’t they are busy putting it back on

 

[Norfolk Olly]

My new Holland T7.210 tier 4b uses a horrendous amount of adblue. It’s the only machine I run that has adblue and I’m on my 2nd ibc container this year. A guy that does remapping tells me that there is a delete system coming but not yet. I will certainly get it done as soon as possible.

What hours is that use over, I’ve a 360hp Fendt and it’s used 357 litres in 710 hrs so roughly .5 litres per hour

 

[atlas]

I was told the other day that vosa had stopped a tractor and they had noticed the ad blue gauge was showing empty so checked the tank to find it dry and suppose due to no warning lights assumed it had had a delete done and issued a hefty fine to the owner for tampering with a vehicles emissions .

 

[d williams]

My new Holland T7.210 tier 4b uses a horrendous amount of adblue. It’s the only machine I run that has adblue and I’m on my 2nd ibc container this year. A guy that does remapping tells me that there is a delete system coming but not yet. I will certainly get it done as soon as possible.

T7200 here 3 tanks fuel to one add blue much better then massey

 

[deere150]

What hours is that use over, I’ve a 360hp Fendt and it’s used 357 litres in 710 hrs so roughly .5 litres per hour

My fastracs used 900 litres in 1200 hrs, she loves the stuff

 

[hally]

My jd is using one blue drum (200l ? ) per 1000 hrs

 

[Norfolk Olly]

My fastracs used 900 litres in 1200 hrs, she loves the stuff

 

[Boysground]

Just swapped from a Fendt 720 to a 724, add blue consumption has gone right down but it does have all the soot burning gubbins on it which the old tractor did not have.

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[betweenthelines]

Got a JCB handler with Ad Blue but it has never used any Ad Blue from it came home. Dealer says there is a software fix to get it going. Not sure what to do as it's going fine and no error codes coming up. But will it give bother later on as the pump runs and there is Ad Blue in the tank that might crystallize ?

Quick emissions lesson:

Adblu (ammonium nitrate) only gets used when engines reach a certain running temp, so tractors or loaders only doing light work will use hardly any, sometimes none at all. I used to run a fleet of trucks and the ones doing 20 deliveries a day hardly used any, whereas those belting up and down motorways used a lot more (even though MPG was better)

The alternative to adblu is ERG (exhaust gas recycling) where exhaust gasses are fed through the engine again to reduce emissions.

Both are a legal requirement to reduce exhaust emissions to the atmosphere and are MOT items. Unless you are a VW executive, I would suggest you don't interfere with emissions control equipment.

 

[kiwi pom]

The problem is that technology is not ready for the current emission standard but lacks years back when talking about reliable function. When emission device problem kills the whole tractor for the third or fourth time with facing another bill of thousand £$€ I'm sure it's tempting to give it the 'final repair'. People care more and more about the environment but wasting money has it's limits. As long as the device is ok and using/storing Adblue is arranged properly people usually have no problem with the whole thing.

It's been a bit too fast with the EU/EPA tier legislation, technology not keeping up and CONTROL of the whole mess totally lacking. I'd consider the possibility to delete these devices as 'buffer' between the theory and practice of emission regulation. Those that are hit hardest can be helped.

I agree its all a load of rubbish but its here and everyone has to deal with it. Having a "cheat" for those that are prepared to do it puts them at an unfair advantage compared to those that are prepared to work through problems.
My experience with it (in trucks) has been pretty good especially when the workshop guys became used to diagnosing problems, often its only a small problem but some workshops will 'fire the parts cannon' at a problem to try and fix it which can be expensive.
It does seem some manufacturers do a better job with the system than others, which just means its another thing to research and consider when you're buying a machine.
The authorities are clamping down on DEF cheats in the truck world, its only a matter of time until they turn their attention to tractors.
Best not to give them another excuse to bring in MOT's for Ag machines in my opinion.