Replacing Manitou 627

[mo!]

Our 09 manitou MLT627 has 7500 hours on and we're ready for a change. General duties on a mixed beef finishing and arable farm. We don't need a bigger machine but we are being pushed by dealers to 3 tonne trucks? JCB 532-60, Manitou 630 and Merlo TF33.7 115 are the ones I've looked at so far. Massey may be an option, Kramer is out because I can never get the dealer interested, Weidemann a bit too far away.

Does no one make an equivalent machine any more?

 

[Fergieman]

Manitou 630 is a great replacement but if its too big go for the 625 but you may find it under powered to the 627 and smaller wheels.

 

[upnortheast]

If you fancy a pivot our Shaffer is being voted best telehandler we have had.

 

[mo!]

If you fancy a pivot our Shaffer is being voted best telehandler we have had.

Yeah, I've had a go on a Schäffer on a neighbour's farm. Not keen on a bendy, we are on and off too much when loading the mixer wagon. Also we have a low building, too low for the JCB as it happens but it wouldn't be a big job to alter for that machine.

 

[Barleycorn]

I would spend some money on the 627. I don't reckon you can beat the old rear engine simple 4 speed machines. No stupid cut out sensors on the hydraulics etc.

 

[mo!]

I would spend some money on the 627. I don't reckon you can beat the old rear engine simple 4 speed machines. No stupid cut out sensors on the hydraulics etc.

That is an option, it needs the rear axle track rods, swivels bearings and pivot rebushing, new hydraulic pump, overheating sorting, leaky cab roof, new tyres and about a dozen little leaks and it could still let me down at any point. At least with a new machine you have some certainty that it will work on a February morning.

 

[ACEngineering]

Our 09 manitou MLT627 has 7500 hours on and we're ready for a change. General duties on a mixed beef finishing and arable farm. We don't need a bigger machine but we are being pushed by dealers to 3 tonne trucks? JCB 532-60, Manitou 630 and Merlo TF33.7 115 are the ones I've looked at so far. Massey may be an option, Kramer is out because I can never get the dealer interested, Weidemann a bit too far away.

Does no one make an equivalent machine any more?

Mlt 629 was a short term replacement. The mlt 630 was the replacement to that.
I dont think it's any bigger than the 627?

Engine on side means they can pivot boom right at the back so can increase forward reach and lift capacity with out adding more weight.

Try one.

Alternatively I'm sure I can help with parts to refurb your old one.
The one thing that concerns me on your list of repairs needed is the rear axle pivot. They tend to wear in to the axle casting so can be abit bigger job than just bushes.
If it's just bushes then there approx £200 for the pair maybe less? And about 3 to 4 hrs work to fit.

 

[miniconnect]

That is an option, it needs the rear axle track rods, swivels bearings and pivot rebushing, new hydraulic pump, overheating sorting, leaky cab roof, new tyres and about a dozen little leaks and it could still let me down at any point. At least with a new machine you have some certainty that it will work on a February morning.

we're facing a similar conundrum here, 627 getting on a bit now, spent loads on her last winter on pins and bushes, track rod ends, timing case, etcetc. now the engine has a knock. [emoji849]
pretty much everything else local is manitou or JCB, neither of them have great reports at all.

 

[upnortheast]

Mlt 629 was a short term replacement. The mlt 630 was the replacement to that.

Had a 629 for 6 years, never loved the side boom concept
Always problems retaining the the overload settings
Result, the parachute button was the most used on the machine.
& lots of other little niggles.
Pleased to see it leave

 

[ACEngineering]

Had a 629 for 6 years, never loved the side boom concept
Always problems retaining the the overload settings
Result, the parachute button was the most used on the machine.
& lots of other little niggles.
Pleased to see it leave

There was a side engined 629 in 1999 to 2002, then in about 2014ish? they made a rear engined one before the 630 came out.

SLI setting is nothing to do with it being a side boom, its a faulty load cell or rust between it and the axle distorting it.

 

[Richard98]

We run a matbro ts270 so similar size to your 627...when we come to change, it will probably be to a 3 ton machine because having driven newer machines, I reckon you need a bigger lift capacity than you've had before to account for the modern boom lockouts and sensors etc...no more crowding till the back end lifts up. I wonder if a 3 ton would be a good match for your 627, you might be disappointed with a new 2.7t that's got lockouts etc.

 

[mo!]

Mlt 629 was a short term replacement. The mlt 630 was the replacement to that.
I dont think it's any bigger than the 627?

Engine on side means they can pivot boom right at the back so can increase forward reach and lift capacity with out adding more weight.

Try one.

Alternatively I'm sure I can help with parts to refurb your old one.
The one thing that concerns me on your list of repairs needed is the rear axle pivot. They tend to wear in to the axle casting so can be abit bigger job than just bushes.
If it's just bushes then there approx £200 for the pair maybe less? And about 3 to 4 hrs work to fit.

I've got a good local engineering firm with a horizontal boring mill so they could do the pivot, maybe I should get in there sooner rather than later and hopefully catch it.

630 is wider and "full width" as opposed to the narrow waisted 627.

One thing that worries my about staying red is parts. It worries me that you can get parts quicker than my local dealer...still waiting for a heater pipe after a fortnight...

 

[mo!]

We run a matbro ts270 so similar size to your 627...when we come to change, it will probably be to a 3 ton machine because having driven newer machines, I reckon you need a bigger lift capacity than you've had before to account for the modern boom lockouts and sensors etc...no more crowding till the back end lifts up. I wonder if a 3 ton would be a good match for your 627, you might be disappointed with a new 2.7t that's got lockouts etc.

Hmm, I've heard this before. I'm not happy about having a new machine that is 8 inches wider and 1.5t heavier just to not have to keep pressing a daft button.

 

[Richard98]

Hmm, I've heard this before. I'm not happy about having a new machine that is 8 inches wider and 1.5t heavier just to not have to keep pressing a daft button.

I agree with you, hence the 24 year old/11500 hour matbro is still plodding along. using bigger manitous in my day job you seem to spend more time holding the parachute override button than anything else, so I think a new 2.7t machine would feel like a step backwards

 

[j6891]

Replace with another 627 with lower hours. If it's the right tool for the job then why change for the sake of it

 

[ACEngineering]

I've got a good local engineering firm with a horizontal boring mill so they could do the pivot, maybe I should get in there sooner rather than later and hopefully catch it.

630 is wider and "full width" as opposed to the narrow waisted 627.

One thing that worries my about staying red is parts. It worries me that you can get parts quicker than my local dealer...still waiting for a heater pipe after a fortnight...

Why is that a worry I dont mess about

You wont do it on a horizontal boring machine i dont think? you can only safely take off 1.5mm anyway, any more than that and its too weak and will snap the casting off were the pinion shaft sits, cant weld it as it distorts it and then you got to bore it for the pinion bearings, by which time its getting rather expensive so you may as well buy a new diff casing which is about £800 to £900 i think.

 

[ACEngineering]

Replace with another 627 with lower hours. If it's the right tool for the job then why change for the sake of it

He could but any after 2010 will have safety cut outs which he wants to avoid so if thats important to him he either has to keep the 2009 machine he has or buy a bigger one or put up with a second hand newer 627 cutting out half the time.

 

[ollie989898]

Our 09 manitou MLT627 has 7500 hours on and we're ready for a change. General duties on a mixed beef finishing and arable farm. We don't need a bigger machine but we are being pushed by dealers to 3 tonne trucks? JCB 532-60, Manitou 630 and Merlo TF33.7 115 are the ones I've looked at so far. Massey may be an option, Kramer is out because I can never get the dealer interested, Weidemann a bit too far away.

Does no one make an equivalent machine any more?

See if Claas do a machine that is small enough if your dealer is close enough?

If you have livestock you need a machine you can rely on. The bendy shaeffer, give it a go?

 

[mo!]

See if Claas do a machine that is small enough if your dealer is close enough?

If you have livestock you need a machine you can rely on. The bendy shaeffer, give it a go?

Shaffer doesn't have the lift height to stack bales.

 

[upnortheast]

Shaffer doesn't have the lift height to stack bales.

How high you going ?
Shaffer 6680T quoted lift 4.9m