Running costs of Jcb 4000 series

[Slug Herder]

Once again trying to weigh up whether to buy a jcb. For the duties of short transport and fertiliser application. On the road I feel jcb has the edge, in the field a conventional tractor seems not far ahead. So it comes down to reliability and service, running costs.
Tractors with inboard breaks aren't fun if they break up. Yet Jcb will need more servicing.
Also a number of prop shafts on jcb need 100hr service.
I am worried the number of rubber bushes in suspension may require regular change.
I was quietly told that the jcb I have on demo will cost double the cost of a standard tractor to run.
What is to be avoided second hand?

 

[daveydiesel1]

How would it cost double to run? Its the same main components as a massey with vario tranny. The prop shafts are only grease required? The brakes are major plus point as no backend contamination. Stil cant see how sum1 reckons they cost double? Ask them to elaborate

 

[nick...]

I’d imagine tyre wear will be the biggest expense along with fuel on road work.my neighbors is doing about 5mpg
Nick...

 

[Flat 10]

I’d imagine tyre wear will be the biggest expense along with fuel on road work.my neighbors is doing about 5mpg
Nick...

I don't know the answer but is that much worse than any tractor doing haulage? Regards to the OP did the person telling you that have an interest in selling a conventional tractor? Surely you could just ask JCB how much to include servicing for 3 years and compare to another tractor?

 

[daveydiesel1]

I’d imagine tyre wear will be the biggest expense along with fuel on road work.my neighbors is doing about 5mpg
Nick...

Tyre wear wont be any worse than other tractors doin high speeds on road. Fuel useage with a sisu engine isnt to bad. Betr than a jd engine

 

[Slug Herder]

I have tried a few brands on the road. All seem to be within the same ball game on fuel economy. And all do as expected on output.
As the rest of my fleet has yellow wheels I am bound to say that I prefer the driving logic and GPS of the same brand. But I can adapt.
Reliability and maintenance costs are the tipping point.

 

[grass man]

Will a set of tires not cost a lot less for a fastrac than a conventional 220hp tractor

 

[Magnificent Earwig]

I’d imagine tyre wear will be the biggest expense along with fuel on road work.my neighbors is doing about 5mpg
Nick...

Obviously your neighbour needs a Fendt 900 series then with its 29mpg capacity.......

 

[Dukes Fit]

Tyre wear wont be any worse than other tractors doin high speeds on road. Fuel useage with a sisu engine isnt to bad. Betr than a jd engine

Tyre wear will be worse with Fastrack as tyres are smaller so do more revolutions in comparison to a 38 or 42 inch tyre.

 

[Slug Herder]

Tyre wear wont be any worse than other tractors doin high speeds on road. Fuel useage with a sisu engine isnt to bad. Betr than a jd engine

Fuel usage of jd is comparitable jd was less hp and by that same token more frugal and pulled slower up hills.


Going back to maintenence brakes and disks need replacing more frequently jcb, but I have been known to replace inboard brakes out of fear.

Is the Fendt gearbox bombproof in a jcb?

 

[s~~t shoveller]

Tyre wear will be worse with Fastrack as tyres are smaller so do more revolutions in comparison to a 38 or 42 inch tyre.

Wear worse maybe, but less to replace in my experience of older ones with 30" tyres. 200 hp fastrac can replace all four for 2200 in bkt.struggle to do that for a conventional 200 hp i n same brand I think...

 

[s~~t shoveller]

Fuel usage of jd is comparitable jd was less hp and by that same token more frugal and pulled slower up hills.


Going back to maintenence brakes and disks need replacing more frequently jcb, but I have been known to replace inboard brakes out of fear.

Is the Fendt gearbox bombproof in a jcb?

Again older jcb s but we have some here on original discs at 11000 hours and still not worn out as long as you keep pads changed.at least you can see what's occuring.brakes wouldn't be the cause of many worries.fendt box I have no experience of in 4000 but been fine in our 8000 now on 7000 hrs.

 

[Slug Herder]

I don't know the answer but is that much worse than any tractor doing haulage? Regards to the OP did the person telling you that have an interest in selling a conventional tractor? Surely you could just ask JCB how much to include servicing for 3 years and compare to another tractor?

There is never an unbiased opinion on a tractor brand. Even if you own a dog you don't talk it down if you want rid. And the next owner might stress a vehicle differently to the point of being the most reliable they have ever owned.
The comment was from a fitter.

 

[Drillman]

As said above

Outboard disc brakes are good as you can see and maintain them easy.

If props need grease, grease them. It ain’t difficult or expensive to do.

As for fuel consumption you won’t find any 200hp plus tractor that does much more than 4-6mpg on the road with a load on.

Even Fendt only got about 6.5mpg with a 936 (I think it was) when they did a economy run from lands end - John o Groats a few years back.

Obviously some other Fendt owners have access to special fuel economy calculators but been there done that!

 

[Will 1594]

@Slug Herder i will pm you two farmer ,contractors numbers ,from round here ,they run maybe 8/9 , all will be worked hard but immaculate and run on 4/3 balers and big trailers on onions and ,and one lifts a lot of beet so will get well tested in the shitty fields with 18/20 ton on its back most of the time

Pm sent

 

[Flyingscotsman]

Tyre wear will be worse with Fastrack as tyres are smaller so do more revolutions in comparison to a 38 or 42 inch tyre.

What a load of nonsense ...!

 

[Dukes Fit]

What a load of nonsense ...!

Well that’s a very helpful response, would you mind justifying your comment?

 

[Flyingscotsman]

Well it depends on the application for a start. Then it depends on the compound of the rubber - so many variables involved before conclusions can be drawn .
FT could be fitted with Nokian’s TR series of tyre and they have excellent wear characteristics....

 

[Flyingscotsman]

Well it depends on the application for a start. Then it depends on the compound of the rubber - so many variables involved before conclusions can be drawn .
FT could be fitted with Nokian’s TR series of tyre and they have excellent wear characteristics....

 

[Dukes Fit]

Well it depends on the application for a start. Then it depends on the compound of the rubber - so many variables involved before conclusions can be drawn .
FT could be fitted with Nokian’s TR series of tyre and they have excellent wear characteristics....

We know the application, road transport and fertiliser application, the compounds of tractor tyres are all broadly similar also we are comparing apples with apples, if you can put harder compound tyres on a Fastrac then you can do the same with a conventional tractor.

The point is for general work, smaller equal size tyres will always wear faster, if you need proof then look at the front tyres of any conventional tractor. They always wear faster than the rears.

Typical rear tyres on a 200hp+ tractor are around 18% bigger than the tyres on a fastrac, with the smaller tyres turning around 36 times more every 1000m

Front tyres on the conventional are about 6% smaller than a fastrac so turn around 14 times more per 1000m

Perhaps look at the figures and do some research before shouting “nonsense”

Better still, do some real life comparisons, have you ever run an equal tyre sized tractor alongside a conventional? I know which one of ours wears tyres faster.