Rye

[twizz]

Does anyone grow rye to harvest with a combine. Looking at growing some for next harvest to feed pigs on. Any thoughts greatly appreciated

 

[Zan]

I’m on my second year of growing it for seed, forage variety though

 

[twizz]

Ok what’s it like to grow?

 

[Zan]

Like I say for forage variety,
Similar agronomy to wheat, but maybe one less fungicide, keep up on growth reg as it’s gets stupid tall.
drill ours early October, looks sh!t when it come through as it goes purple.
Good at keeping going in a drought, on terribly shallow land it survived this spring ok.
Harvest time around now, side knives on. Yield around 2-2.5 tonnes an acre, that’s all we get anyway.

 

[Marius]

Does anyone grow rye to harvest with a combine. Looking at growing some for next harvest to feed pigs on. Any thoughts greatly appreciated

I don't think rye is a good feed for pigs. I think it is due to some kind of undigestable stuff that is in it. Even triticale grain for pigs you have to be very careful and increase it carefully in the diet mix. Wheat or corn in the other part of the world is the best for pigs.

 

[Zan]

I don't think rye is a good feed for pigs. I think it is due to some kind of undigestable stuff that is in it. Even triticale grain for pigs you have to be very careful and increase it carefully in the diet mix. Wheat or corn in the other part of the world is the best for pigs.

Elsoms are doing some work with some others on trials for rye feeding pigs, I think it’s actually very good for them but like you say it has to be done carefully, I believe triticale can turn sheep up on their back if they get too much of it.

 

[Hopespringseternal]

I don't think rye is a good feed for pigs. I think it is due to some kind of undigestable stuff that is in it. Even triticale grain for pigs you have to be very careful and increase it carefully in the diet mix. Wheat or corn in the other part of the world is the best for pigs.

Sorry but you are wrong there.
Grain Rye , certain varieties have been trialled and have been shown , at a specific % inclusion in pig rations , that there is better live weight gain, better behavioral patterns displayed and less N in muck due to better digestion of ration.
Research carried out by Elsoms,University of Leeds and JSR farming confirm this.
To class all Rye varieties as unsuitable is akin to classing all wheat varieties as unsuitable for say Milling(Skyfall,Zyatt), or biscuit ( Firefly, Claire) etc.
Certain Rye varieties have bespoke qualities that specific markets look for, BrewDog for example utilise SU Performer, Ryvita another type ,Pig industry Helltop and Bendix and so on.

 

[twizz]

Sorry but you are wrong there.
Grain Rye , certain varieties have been trialled and have been shown , at a specific % inclusion in pig rations , that there is better live weight gain, better behavioral patterns displayed and less N in muck due to better digestion of ration.
Research carried out by Elsoms,University of Leeds and JSR farming confirm this.
To class all Rye varieties as unsuitable is akin to classing all wheat varieties as unsuitable for say Milling(Skyfall,Zyatt), or biscuit ( Firefly, Claire) etc.
Certain Rye varieties have bespoke qualities that specific markets look for, BrewDog for example utilise SU Performer, Ryvita another type ,Pig industry Helltop and Bendix and so on.

That’s what I had read also spoke the our nutritionist that we use he said there’s some good data coming through re the nutritional and behaviour benefits to rye. What are the yields like compared to oats as that is the other option as I want something to grow instead of osr

 

[Hopespringseternal]

That’s what I had read also spoke the our nutritionist that we use he said there’s some good data coming through re the nutritional and behaviour benefits to rye. What are the yields like compared to oats as that is the other option as I want something to grow instead of osr

GrainRye can be grown on hungry soils but also on heavy ground.Yield will vary according to inputs but I would say on a regime of 160kg N ,60 kg P and 90 kg K you could expect 10 tn ha with a lot more straw than you are seeing with w oats.
Main thing to remember is growth reg(3 hits) and choose a variety that has good Autumn/ Spring vigor and standing abilities, Helltop being the best in my opinion.

 

[juke]

GrainRye can be grown on hungry soils but also on heavy ground.Yield will vary according to inputs but I would say on a regime of 160kg N ,60 kg P and 90 kg K you could expect 10 tn ha with a lot more straw than you are seeing with w oats.
Main thing to remember is growth reg(3 hits) and choose a variety that has good Autumn/ Spring vigor and standing abilities, Helltop being the best in my opinion.

sounds like the Agrii guide to cereal rye

 

[Hopespringseternal]

sounds like the Agrii guide to cereal rye

How would you grow Grain Rye then?

 

[Dan Mac]

Does anyone grow rye to harvest with a combine. Looking at growing some for next harvest to feed pigs on. Any thoughts greatly appreciated

Hi twizz we’ve grown rye for 4 years for grain for milling
It does better than wheat on some of our very droughty gravel soils but the better heavy souls do better with wheat
It costs a bit less than wheat to grow £350/ha rather than wheat £410
Should be sub £300 but hybrid seed is £120 / ha
It is suggested to drill earlier than wheat which I would agree with
It’s a small seed so don’t drill too deep and it isn’t as robust as wheat in the autumn so more susceptible to slugs - not normally a problem on light soils but was this year after rape
We put 140 kg N on and 25 kg so3
Fungicides too target brown rust mainly so cheap
Growth regs are crucial though we only used 0.2 moddus and 3c this year
The contribution of yield from the bits of the plant is quite different to wheat with only a third coming from the flag leaf and much more from the stem and ear
Combining can be slower but it thrashes very easily but we always give it priority as we need a hagberg
Ergot can be a problem but we haven’t seen it
The newer varieties we grow from kws are supposed to be less susceptible
Rye isn’t that susceptible to take all but it isn’t a break either
It is much more competitive against black grass than wheat but maybe not as good as winter barley ?
For us it works on light land or as a second cereal on heavier land grown for milling at a slightly higher price than wheat
The downside at the moment is there is no market for feed rye so it could be worth a lot less if it doesn’t make milling grade
In Denmark they grow a lot on their light land for feeding pigs where it prices in to a ration at £10 under wheat
As a pig farmer where do you think the price relative to wheat needs to be ?
Dan

 

[holmes65]

That’s what I had read also spoke the our nutritionist that we use he said there’s some good data coming through re the nutritional and behaviour benefits to rye. What are the yields like compared to oats as that is the other option as I want something to grow instead of osr

Would I be right in thinking rye would not be a break crop like oats are?

 

[Hopespringseternal]

Would I be right in thinking rye would not be a break crop like oats are?

Correct

 

[twizz]

Correct

Thanks for the info I was looking at it as a break crop instead of rape but maybe not then. Looks like it will be oats then.
was just thinking that if it yielded similar to wheat and was a break crop it would fit in as oats are very slow to mill unless I change the mill screen every time

 

[juke]

How would you grow Grain Rye then?

Haven't a clue I'll tell you when we do it in couple years time , wasn't making a criticism just making a statement that your method sounds alot like the Agrii way which I think will be right.