Small light tractor with all the extras !

[Bobthebuilder]

bloody terrible hydraulics on the massy and cab layout is just as bad, how about a little valtra

 

[fergie35]

Case IH have released a model called the Versum which is between the Luxxum and the Maxxum, 3 models, 110, 120 and 130. All CVX and I'm sure you can spec them well. Multicontroller in them all as well I'm sure.

New Holland version is a T5 AutoCommand (T6 cab on a EC back end and bigger engine than the EC T5)

 

[Fendtbro]

If you're going far enough for 10 km/h to make a meaningful difference then you should probably be using a lorry instead, for the sake of your own sanity as well as that of every other poor sod on the road who is just trying to get on with their day.

However, my personal views aside, as I understand it 50k is about more than just tweaking the gearbox and/or diff ratios. There are suspension/axle/braking and other bits required and I suspect that adding all of the equipment legally required for 50 km/h in mainland Europe would turn the small, lightweight, relatively cheap tractors into heavier and more expensive ones. That would be somewhat defeating the point.

H’mm, funny quote.. we travel a radius of at least 100 miles for contract work so slow travel is not much use. The fendt’s have all the toys more than likely but the speed from 20 years ago. I bet other makes travel faster now. 25 years ago 100hp was a powerful tractor before modern transmission’s sapped half the power!

 

[Beowulf]

H’mm, funny quote.. we travel a radius of at least 100 miles for contract work so slow travel is not much use. The fendt’s have all the toys more than likely but the speed from 20 years ago. I bet other makes travel faster now. 25 years ago 100hp was a powerful tractor before modern transmission’s sapped half the power!

One hundred miles? Really?

That's five hours travel each way at even the most optimistic real world speeds for a tractor, that can't pay surely?

Did you mean 10 miles?

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

bloody terrible hydraulics on the massy and cab layout is just as bad, how about a little valtra

An N series would be just what your looking for. Can spec a new one up to the rubbish and have 175 Horses if you so desire. I have an N111A and she’s a joy to spend a day, 50K to!

 

[Highland Mule]

One hundred miles? Really?

That's five hours travel each way at even the most optimistic real world speeds for a tractor, that can't pay surely?

Did you mean 10 miles?

Just a shade over twenty million acres of catchment area......

 

[Gerbert]

One hundred miles? Really?

That's five hours travel each way at even the most optimistic real world speeds for a tractor, that can't pay surely?

Did you mean 10 miles?

I do not know the business of @Fendtbro but of all people you should know that if you do something that if in demand enough it doesn't matter much how far you have to travel.
A contractor in my town does agbagging (or whatever you call it), putting stuff through a haybuster type of mill and into a long bag, he goes the same distance it the customer simply pays. He specifically swopped his JD's for big Fendts so he could do 65k...

 

[jondear]

What about the arion 410-450 range ?Can have full suspension even 6 speed gear box .Easy to use and very compact with nice cab layout.

 

[Beowulf]

I do not know the business of @Fendtbro but of all people you should know that if you do something that if in demand enough it doesn't matter much how far you have to travel.
A contractor in my town does agbagging (or whatever you call it), putting stuff through a haybuster type of mill and into a long bag, he goes the same distance it the customer simply pays. He specifically swopped his JD's for big Fendts so he could do 65k...

Oh I get the idea of a captive market and being able to charge accordingly, but surely in this case a truck/lorry would make sense over that sort of distance?

I've had nothing to do with ag contracting, but I have and still am involved in a couple of businesses that run trucks to transport the goods to the end user. They work on around 45 mph being typical in the UK, which even at "white diesel" rates looks attractive compared to driving ag tractors around the country.

 

[Gerbert]

It really depends, I can not say much without knowing the details.
A few contractors overhere resorted this year to tractors to tow around 35 m3 slurrytanks because they simply could not get the right people to pull them with a truck instead.
I have seen maize being transported by 7 or more tractors because it getting trucks in didn't fit in the schedule and you would need an extra receiving yard and loader.
I have been on an almost 2 hour round trip with a tractor and a little 3,5 tonne 360 and a 2 1/2 hour trip with a tractor and tanker to suck up a few m3 of bentonite, tractordrivers are much more easily available.
All of the above would've been cheaper to do with a truck.
And I could go on and I don't mean to be patronising but there are so many reasons, some of which might look stupid on first glance but make sense in the long run.

 

[Tomr10]

100 miles I'd be buy a lorry and taking the equipment there save hours

 

[Highland Mule]

Oh I get the idea of a captive market and being able to charge accordingly, but surely in this case a truck/lorry would make sense over that sort of distance?

I've had nothing to do with ag contracting, but I have and still am involved in a couple of businesses that run trucks to transport the goods to the end user. They work on around 45 mph being typical in the UK, which even at "white diesel" rates looks attractive compared to driving ag tractors around the country.

Just checked the trip computer in my car. Mostly A road driving. Last tank was 700miles and 15 hours to give 46.7mph average. You’re doing well if your trucks can average 45mph.

 

[Marshall 100]

I would think twice before going to Deere 5R series...
Full of all kind of teething problems.

 

[Beowulf]

Just checked the trip computer in my car. Mostly A road driving. Last tank was 700miles and 15 hours to give 46.7mph average. You’re doing well if your trucks can average 45mph.

All comes down to the types of road I expect. I see no point in having a truck on anything other than motorway or dual carriageway, otherwise I might as well farm the transport out to some other mug.

 

[Fendtbro]

One hundred miles? Really?

That's five hours travel each way at even the most optimistic real world speeds for a tractor, that can't pay surely?

Did you mean 10 miles?

No.. did 112 miles in the morning picking up a dump trailer from up north then back to the yard, then 107 miles in the afternoon heading to the west coast to start a forestry road job.. plenty contractors travel further. Just the joys of Scottish highlands, endless miles of winding roads and mountains. All hours travelling are charged for at a reasonable rate and the trailer is empty..

 

[Fendtbro]

100 miles I'd be buy a lorry and taking the equipment there save hours

How are you going to load a dump trailer on a lorry by yourself way up a mountain miles from anywhere?

 

[Tomr10]

Like I said carry the kit so tractor would be on the lorry . So if doing carting 100 miles away tractor and trailer on the lorry

 

[Fendtbro]

Tractor can do that journey for under £200.. lorry will be near double that as no return load from the middle of nowhere. The tractor won’t be much slower as the lorry can’t get much speed up on some of these narrow roads

 

[Highland Mule]

Even in the Highlands it’s a challenge to get 100 miles radius. Start in Inverness and that can take you pretty much to the outskirts of Perth, Aberdeen, Wick or Oban. I fail to see how that’s viable for a tractor and dump trailer, either from cost or time perspective. Presumably it would have to be for a very specialist contracting job and run on white diesel too?

 

[Fendtbro]

Even in the Highlands it’s a challenge to get 100 miles radius. Start in Inverness and that can take you pretty much to the outskirts of Perth, Aberdeen, Wick or Oban. I fail to see how that’s viable for a tractor and dump trailer, either from cost or time perspective. Presumably it would have to be for a very specialist contracting job and run on white diesel too?

Yes, you are correct. We have worked in most of these places and are close to Inverness. Yes some of the the work is specialist. Why would you put a fastrac and empty dumper on a lorry which will cost double?