The danger of centralised factory food

[ollie989898]

Been watching on old series of Rick Stein, touring rural France in his Porsche 911, watched 3 episodes this week
A few years old now, since originally filmed
Last night’s programme-he visited a cattle market in Burgundy full of Charolais cattle & tried the steak in a small cafe in the town
How the French celebrate food and drink is a revelation, compared to uk and is where we are going wrong
Most is local and from small producers
The food markets he has visited have superb
Don’t know how we can back to their ideals of supporting all types of rural life
Not a carton of soya milk or tofu meal in sight

Food in France, as in several other European countries I would say, is taken a bit more seriously. They are also a lot less focused on calories/carbs than the UK seems to be which had adopted a lot of American type cuisine. For example, you might order steak in France and you would be lucky to get some green beans with it and a sauce. In the UK, you order steak and get chips, peas, onion rings, etc etc etc with it and suddenly a meal is twice the size.

Their way of life is a bit more relaxed as well to be fair. Certainly in years gone by you could eat in a local cafe or restaurant for not a lot of money at lunchtime and a lot of locals would be there for lunch as well.

I also wish the UK would go back to the old days, shut everything on a Sunday and close early on Wednesday. I remember on the continent you would not see many HGVs on the roads at weekends as they basically stopped it. I wonder if that is still the case.

 

[Martin Holden]

Been watching on old series of Rick Stein, touring rural France in his Porsche 911, watched 3 episodes this week
A few years old now, since originally filmed
Last night’s programme-he visited a cattle market in Burgundy full of Charolais cattle & tried the steak in a small cafe in the town
How the French celebrate food and drink is a revelation, compared to uk and is where we are going wrong
Most is local and from small producers
The food markets he has visited have superb
Don’t know how we can back to their ideals of supporting all types of rural life
Not a carton of soya milk or tofu meal in sight

Agreed. We are far too much convenience driven but there again the French have long lunch hours and eating is an important use of time

 

[Hilly]

Food in France, as in several other European countries I would say, is taken a bit more seriously. They are also a lot less focused on calories/carbs than the UK seems to be which had adopted a lot of American type cuisine. For example, you might order steak in France and you would be lucky to get some green beans with it and a sauce. In the UK, you order steak and get chips, peas, onion rings, etc etc etc with it and suddenly a meal is twice the size.

Their way of life is a bit more relaxed as well to be fair. Certainly in years gone by you could eat in a local cafe or restaurant for not a lot of money at lunchtime and a lot of locals would be there for lunch as well.

I also wish the UK would go back to the old days, shut everything on a Sunday and close early on Wednesday. I remember on the continent you would not see many HGVs on the roads at weekends as they basically stopped it. I wonder if that is still the case.

Ive said for ages places should
Be shut on sundays , i always feel sorry for mothers who have to work sundays away from kids etc , sunday snshould be day of rest with family imo .

 

[vantage]

Now there’s a man who represents just about everything that’s wrong with the world…..

Yes, breasts on a man is not very becoming!

 

[betweenthelines]

You guys worry too much, back in the autumn of 2019 I went on a paleo-culinary tour of the world and ate all sorts, you name it. Bat, pagolin, orang-utan all the same to me. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that. I'm hoping to find an importer for the same this autumn: you guys can all come to my exotic worldwide BBQ if you want, I know most of you will opt for the more authentic experience and want your monkey meat a bit on the pink side but no worries if not- just whatsapp me I can make sure to leave it on the coals for 2 minutes longer. Farmerroy is also sending me some of those famous roo-burgers he is always waxing about.

FFS. Now we know how covid-19 started

 

[melted welly]

Ive said for ages places should
Be shut on sundays , i always feel sorry for mothers who have to work sundays away from kids etc , sunday snshould be day of rest with family imo .

There’s a two tiered society there. You’ve the tier 1. folk who work 4/5day weeks, bank hols etc off, 28+ days holiday a year, then there’s the tier 2. folk who staff the shops/cafes/pubs/attractions that ensure tier 1. have a nice time on their days off and put up with a load of shite for their trouble. I’m with you, shut everything on Sunday’s, toonsers don’t really get going till half 11/12 anyway, so they’d only miss half a day.

 

[betweenthelines]

Just look at the massive number of major retailers and products implicated in this one factory salmonella contamination. Just imagine how much worse a centralised artificial meat production facility, contaminated by something worse, like Botulism, could injure or kill thousands of people in a few days. This example should serve as a stark warning of how centralising food production into a few massive factories and processors could impact on one vital aspect of our food security.

Chicken products recalled over salmonella fears

Sainsbury's, Tesco and Aldi are among grocers asking some products to be returned to stores.

www.bbc.co.uk

I wouldn't go on about this if I were you. 75% of the milk drunk in the UK is probably bottled at less than a dozen factories.

 

[Cowabunga]

There’s a two tiered society there. You’ve the tier 1. folk who work 4/5day weeks, bank hols etc off, 28+ days holiday a year, then there’s the tier 2. folk who staff the shops/cafes/pubs/attractions that ensure tier 1. have a nice time on their days off and put up with a load of shite for their trouble. I’m with you, shut everything on Sunday’s, toonsers don’t really get going till half 11/12 anyway, so they’d only miss half a day.

I’m firmly in tier2 as is virtually every other dairy farmer. I value the occasional day shopping on a Sunday very much. Many of those in tier1 can only have a day off on Sunday and must do their shopping either on Saturday afternoon or Sunday. If something crops up to prevent Saturday shopping then it must be done on Sunday.
I can’t understand many car dealerships closing on the weekend when it is the only opportunity many of their customers have to shop for a car. Our local LR dealer is open every Sunday for sales. Not for service.

 

[melted welly]

I’m firmly in tier2 as is virtually every other dairy farmer. I value the occasional day shopping on a Sunday very much. Many of those in tier1 can only have a day off on Sunday and must do their shopping either on Saturday afternoon or Sunday. If something crops up to prevent Saturday shopping then it must be done on Sunday.
I can’t understand many car dealerships closing on the weekend when it is the only opportunity many of their customers have to shop for a car. Our local LR dealer is open every Sunday for sales. Not for service.

I’m the same, Sundays are the days I have time off. Why? Because it’s Sunday. Why not Saturday afternoon or Friday or Wednesday? At the end of the day we never the time back. We don’t get paid more, kids don’t look at me and think “what a great guy”, they wonder why I spend all my time working, getting looks of disapproval from the tier 1 community for holding up their trip to the coffe shop for a cake.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I've had Salmonella, it's something I wouldn't wish on anyone, except perhaps Putin.

I lost two stone in one week, and was on a drip for a fortnight. Felt wiped out for months, tired and no strength.

Some might ask how it took three days before it was spotted, but it needs time 'grow' a culture, and there are literally hundreds of different strains.

Mine was proved to have come from Chicken manure and not from something eaten, but the public health people checked the farm where our milk came from and also some checks on some shellfish we'd eaten.

That's not fair on Putin, surely the WEF would be a more suitable group?

 

[Old apprentice]

A bit like the farmer not far from here who got a tyre in the diet feeder, instead of one cow getting a bit they all did unfortunately.

Two other senario not very good at all some one left a battery some one never saw it and loaded it into mixer wagon poised a lot of cows

The other is dead poultry or birds chopped into silage then mixed and fed to cattle botchalisem one guy lost 200 cows they all did not die but a lot went to skin and bone un productive just no good they had to be disposed of.

 

[kiwi pom]

thats how the uks food has gone? shown on tv , one programme showed the biggest milk processesing plant i think here in the uk in europe? another tv programme was about the giant warburtons bread factory, that one about the bread factory cited that here in the Uk i think it said we waste something like 800 tons of bread a day? they said that part of the reason of that high wastage was that the large bread factories like warburtons here in the uk, bake all the time, unlike say in france were there are much more small bakers who bake in early morning to sell out by day end?

I saw the Warburtons one, Superbrands I think the show was called. There was one on McCain and Heinz as well.
If I remember correctly 1 in 3 chips eaten in the UK were made by McCain.

The Warburtons boss was asked about why they bake so much if its wasted, he said they bake to fill their orders, if they didn't fill them, someone else would.
Seemed a reasonable answer to me.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

How do we know if it's in the at risk group , I bought cooked chicken from Asda yesterday

 

[milkloss]

How do we know if it's in the at risk group , I bought cooked chicken from Asda yesterday

It’s a long list, try looking on the bbc news site which has a link to a list.

 

[Paddington]

OH had a Tesco chicken wrap this week within the mentioned use by dates, said she didn't notice anything different as they're always tasteless anyway.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It’s a long list, try looking on the bbc news site which has a link to a list.

My Asda , packed in UK from non UK Country, very informative, but I expect it's ok then

 

[bluebell]

its to late now to go back to sunday shops shut, a day of rest? the geni is out of the bottle people now have got used to and expect 24hour seven day a week shopping? anyone remember when shops had wednesday closing, or my village shop used to shut for lunch for an hour? Or on a sunday having drive out trying to find a petrol station open? that was the days before supermarkets sold petrol? It suits these large out of town shopping centres supermarkets to run 24hr seven days a week for stocking and logistics?

 

[Martin Holden]

The change in folks habits in the last 40/50 years has led to the current food supply chain system. Not enough folk know how to or even want to know how to cook from the raw ingredients which is a shame as I guess there would be less waste if they did from having “invested” their time in preparing it! Oh well, off to make two big cottage pies for offsprings families today as they are all busy busy tier 2 middle ground types.

 

[Levelsman]

Just look at the massive number of major retailers and products implicated in this one factory salmonella contamination. Just imagine how much worse a centralised artificial meat production facility, contaminated by something worse, like Botulism, could injure or kill thousands of people in a few days. This example should serve as a stark warning of how centralising food production into a few massive factories and processors could impact on one vital aspect of our food security.

Chicken products recalled over salmonella fears

Sainsbury's, Tesco and Aldi are among grocers asking some products to be returned to stores.

www.bbc.co.uk

Imported????

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Two other senario not very good at all some one left a battery some one never saw it and loaded it into mixer wagon poised a lot of cows

The other is dead poultry or birds chopped into silage then mixed and fed to cattle botchalisem one guy lost 200 cows they all did not die but a lot went to skin and bone un productive just no good they had to be disposed of.

Loader forks in mixer wagons not a good idea either....