Tony Blair is a demonstrable ****

[bankrupt]

Probably because trying to be a farmer during the Blair years was far, far worse than it is now.

Still got all the debt to prove it.

 

[Lowland1]

Honestly why all the fuss. It’s just our ruling classes doing what they do. As for Blair being a war criminal who has indicted him? In ten years or so Boris will get the same honours Covid will be a memory. No one will remember his gold wallpaper or his girlfriends. All this nonsense about ‘ Her Majesty’ being duped is absolute rubbish the ruling classes are all mates just sharing it around amongst themselves. It should be remembered he won three elections one of which was after the second gulf war so people weren’t too bothered then. No he’s a total git but so are the vast majority of politicians and the aristocracy. Ignore this stupid system is probably the best we can all do.

 

[Still Farming]

I’d be curious to know, how many of the people signing the petition, to have the knighthood withdrawn from this murderer, are in favour of leaving statues in situ, for past murderers and slave traders, and such like?
I bet the correlation is striking….

Depends how long you live and have good memory helps?
History is history.

 

[bankrupt]

who has indicted him?

The Electorate.

 

[Lowland1]

The Electorate.

No they haven’t. The vast majority have no care at all. If they didn’t believe him how did he win three elections he didn’t lose any. He’s not up in any court and is unlikely to ever be. He is or was a politician the lowest form of human life.

 

[bankrupt]

If they didn’t believe him how did he win three elections

True - but two of those were before Iraq and in the third his popular vote fell by 4m, only winning the Election because more than 1m wasted their vote on the Lib Dems.

 

[Lowland1]

True - but two of those were before Iraq and in the third his popular vote fell by 5m from 1997.

For sure by then the public were starting to wise up or more likely get a bit tired of the grin but to be tried as a war criminal usually you get judged by the people who defeated you, like what happened to Goering or Milosovic etc. Bush and Blair aren’t going to be judged by anyone on this earth anytime soon.

 

[Bongodog]

Good point, so often forgotten - Blair was the #1 peacemaker in NI.

The peace process started with the Downing Street Declaration in 1993, which led to the IRA declaring a ceasefire in 1994. All this was under John Major. Blair arrived on the scene in 1997 4 years into the process and was PM on Good Friday 1998 when the agreement was signed. I make that 4 years under Major and only 1 year for Blair.

 

[bankrupt]

Blair arrived on the scene in 1997 4 years into the process and was PM on Good Friday 1998 when the agreement was signed.

He really made it his own with that infamous speech two days before Good Friday :-

". . . . this is not the time for soundbites . . . I feel the hand of history upon our shoulders . . ".

Not a Time for Soundbites: Tony Blair in Quotations

Tony Blair in quotations.

blog.oup.com

 

[Henarar]

 

[Still Farming]

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[Muck Spreader]

I personally don't mind that Blair got a knighthood. But I do object to these armies of Sir Humphreys who automatically get a knighthood, simply by climbing the greasy pole to a certain position. No matter how good or useless they turn out to be. The award should be for outstanding service to the United Kingdom or humanity in general.

 

[fudge]

I personally don't mind that Blair got a knighthood. But I do object to these armies of Sir Humphreys who automatically get a knighthood, simply by climbing the greasy pole to a certain position. No matter how good or useless they turn out to be. The award should be for outstanding service to the United Kingdom or humanity in general.

Or any Tom Dick or Harry who has donated money to a political party. Totally discredited system which harks back to old colonial days. Time to get rid of it. Incidentally Blair himself made as bigger contribution to discrediting the honours system as any PM, which is saying something. On the bright side not many people give two hoots who knights of old England are.

 

[ollie989898]

If Tony Blair wants to do the nation a good service he can fudge off and emigrate someplace else. All of these honours are worked out on an old boys network anyway.

 

[Bongodog]

And here lies one of the problems with our social media culture, despite the fact he didn't get a knighthood awarded by the govt, over 600k so far are stupid enough to click a petition to the govt asking them to review the decision.
Doesn't anyone actually read anything and try to understand it before reacting ?

 

[fudge]

Let’s be honest the Queen doesn’t make these awards in a vacuum. Blair has been awarded a knighthood by a backward facing establishment. I haven’t clicked on the petition but his “honour” just confirms the system is a throw back to a previous time. I understand many of the crusaders were knights of the realm. So I suppose this does have a resonance with England’s medieval history. Best one can say about it.

 

[Danllan]

No they haven’t. The vast majority have no care at all. If they didn’t believe him how did he win three elections he didn’t lose any. He’s not up in any court and is unlikely to ever be. He is or was a politician the lowest form of human life.

In fairness, he ran away once his sins were found out, knowing without any doubt at all that he was unelectable once they were.

Anyone suggesting he'd have won in 2005 if the dirt had come out before / during it is barking.

 

[BrianV]

Sadly Blair was probably the best Labour leader since the war but was very ill equipped in dealing with the war hungry US arms industry & allowed himself to be persuaded to back the US in their stupid intervention in Iraq.
If you ignore that complete mess he actually didn't do a bad job at all considering he had the demented Brown breathing down his neck!

 

[Danllan]

Let’s be honest the Queen doesn’t make these awards in a vacuum. Blair has been awarded a knighthood by a backward facing establishment. I haven’t clicked on the petition but his “honour” just confirms the system is a throw back to a previous time. I understand many of the crusaders were knights of the realm. So I suppose this does have a resonance with England’s medieval history. Best one can say about it.

Quite right, barring the last bit.

Sadly Blair was probably the best Labour leader since the war but was very ill equipped in dealing with the war hungry US arms industry & allowed himself to be persuaded to back the US in their stupid intervention in Iraq.
If you ignore that complete mess he actually didn't do a bad job at all considering he had the demented Brown breathing down his neck!

No. The damage he did to the Constitution is unforgiveable, and all for his own short-term gain. Add in his criminal dishonesty and the vast amount of entirely unnecessary blood on his hands and he is beneath contempt; a disgusting and arrogant liar, hypocrite, nepotist, coward and egotist.

 

[Danllan]

Good point, so often forgotten - Blair was the #1 peacemaker in NI.

Just noticed this, utter crap. The two who guaranteed peace in NI were John Major and Marin McGuinness, who bravely took great risks and acted very determinedly. I loathe(d) both of them, but the facts remain. TB jumped on the bandwagon just before the finishing line and claimed a win, something typical of him.