Tyre wear vs speed

[daveydiesel1]

Was havin this discussion lately about how quick tyres wear on 50k compared to 40k. Couldnt decide if tyres would stil do same amount of miles compared to 40k tractor which would obviously take longer to do same miles. Thoughts? Any1 on here runnin 2 identical tractors and tankers/trailers only 1 tractor is 40k and other 50k how is tyre wear comparing?

 

[Clive]

Speed creates heat and heat will increase wear I guess ?

also braking from higher speed means more energy through tyres so again increased wear

 

[Farmer Roy]

That’s why most civilised countries in the world use trucks for road transport & tractors for field work . . .

 

[steveR]

I was wondeing exactly that yesterday. Chap dropped off a 9t digger for some groundworks and drainage on the farm.

Massive BFO Valtra with a 60K box... I wondered what the legalities of such a beast are, AND what it was like on rubber. Lot of weight and power going through the tyres.

 

[steveR]

That’s why most civilised countries in the world use trucks for road transport & tractors for field work . . .

I do like seeing the Yanks kit, big 4wd pickups pulling massive loads of hay and straw all distances, even just hauling off. We'd just put it behind a tractor

 

[daveydiesel1]

I do like seeing the Yanks kit, big 4wd pickups pulling massive loads of hay and straw all distances, even just hauling off. We'd just put it behind a tractor

Lprries and pickups arent really useable in fields round here cause of wet conditions plus thers the small matr of red diesel price difference

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Lprries and pickups arent really useable in fields round here cause of wet conditions plus thers the small matr of red diesel price difference

But you'r tractor MPG is half what a Scania would be at same weight! I've driven both and know which one I prefer on the road!! It's only the loophole that makes it useable, the sums don't!!

 

[multi power]

I was wondeing exactly that yesterday. Chap dropped off a 9t digger for some groundworks and drainage on the farm.

Massive BFO Valtra with a 60K box... I wondered what the legalities of such a beast are, AND what it was like on rubber. Lot of weight and power going through the tyres.

Not at all legal over 25mph

 

[Gerbert]

That’s why most civilised countries in the world use trucks for road transport & tractors for field work . . .

Don't you see just how short-sighted you are? While you are up in arms about anything that is odd in your opinion, a lot of people are actually making it stack up financially. Tell me, how is that working out for ya?

 

[dowcow]

That’s why most civilised countries in the world use trucks for road transport & tractors for field work . . .

That's because in Australia and maybe some other 'civilised countries' there are dispensations for farmers to drive trucks on farm duties without a special truck license. In the UK, anyone under the age of around 40 needs a special test just to put a proper trailer on their pickup, and larger trucks and weights are covered with such strict legislation it is simpler in most cases just to use a tractor. If it was simple to run a large pickup with a 5 ton trailer behind I'm sure many more people would be doing that. Not to mention that unless we are going through a drought, in many parts of the country a truck would struggle to get in and out of a field without becoming stuck.

 

[Richard Smyth]

That's because in Australia and maybe some other 'civilised countries' there are dispensations for farmers to drive trucks on farm duties without a special truck license. In the UK, anyone under the age of around 40 needs a special test just to put a proper trailer on their pickup, and larger trucks and weights are covered with such strict legislation it is simpler in most cases just to use a tractor. If it was simple to run a large pickup with a 5 ton trailer behind I'm sure many more people would be doing that. Not to mention that unless we are going through a drought, in many parts of the country a truck would struggle to get in and out of a field without becoming stuck.

no there’s not here. Anyone driving a truck needs a truck license. Here is SA supposed to have a truck license to drive a tractor on the road but a dispensation canbe had for that as long as you meet the criteria.

 

[Richard Smyth]

That’s why most civilised countries in the world use trucks for road transport & tractors for field work . . .

certain areas trucks are ok but a lot of the land I farm trucks are useless as unless there is a gravel road to all fields they can’t get there.

also in Northern Ireland where I grew up there might be 2 days a year that a truck can go in a field due to it being wet

 

[Chuckie]

no there’s not here. Anyone driving a truck needs a truck license. Here is SA supposed to have a truck license to drive a tractor on the road but a dispensation canbe had for that as long as you meet the criteria.

It's not so much the driving licence, it's the driver cpc that needs keeping up to date, plus the operators licence that can be difficult to get, then there's the extra cost of road fuel etc etc

 

[clbarclay]

I'm not sure if it is so much the top speed that s tractor can do, but how hard some drivers race to maintain it for as long as. Plenty of black lines on roads around here by when the AD boys are trying to keep up with a big forager. A lot of those marks are probably from the trailer tyres locking up on braking for junctions.

Less visible must be some of the wear they are putting on the tractors brakes and transmissions. One driver must have had a power shift type transmission and driving along flat out you could hear the engine scream as they just down shifted to slow down.

 

[Richard Smyth]

It's not so much the driving licence, it's the driver cpc that needs keeping up to date, plus the operators licence that can be difficult to get, then there's the extra cost of road fuel etc etc

well that isn’t what was said in the post I quoted. There is a rebate for fuel used in trucks on the road but it is considerably less than fuel for use in tractors.

All fuel bought here has to be paid for at full price and a rebate claimed back each quarter.

I will agree we don’t have operators license or driver cpc but we do have fatigue management licenses for anyone wanting to run slightly longer hours and mass management training and records for anyone wanting to run slightly more weight. Most get these as it does help when pressure is on at harvest.

 

[Drillman]

well that isn’t what was said in the post I quoted. There is a rebate for fuel used in trucks on the road but it is considerably less than fuel for use in tractors.

All fuel bought here has to be paid for at full price and a rebate claimed back each quarter.

I will agree we don’t have operators license or driver cpc but we do have fatigue management licenses for anyone wanting to run slightly longer hours and mass management training and records for anyone wanting to run slightly more weight. Most get these as it does help when pressure is on at harvest.

Bet the trucks are very economical and the tractors terrible thirsty when it comes to doing the rebate??

the chap I worked for in Western Australia years back were?

 

[daveydiesel1]

Must say the replies really have shed some light on the question asked ?

 

[dowcow]

no there’s not here. Anyone driving a truck needs a truck license. Here is SA supposed to have a truck license to drive a tractor on the road but a dispensation canbe had for that as long as you meet the criteria.

Was it New Zealand then? I'm sure I read recently that it was somewhere over there that they could do it. Also in some states in America you don't need a license at all with tractors on the road, and you could drive them from a very young age too. Which country has the legalised Wagon Trains with a truck and several trailers allowed on certain roads?

 

[Richard Smyth]

Bet the trucks are very economical and the tractors terrible thirsty when it comes to doing the rebate??

the chap I worked for in Western Australia years back were?

all fine and dandy until someone gets audited. most I know will run trucks at harvest on fuel rebated properly but rest of year probably use tractor diesel though I haven’t seen it happen. Other than harvest trucks aren’t used much.

not everyone has a truck either, I’m one of them and have my grain carted at harvest then use tractor rest of year which as said isn’t that much.

 

[Richard Smyth]

Was it New Zealand then? I'm sure I read recently that it was somewhere over there that they could do it. Also in some states in America you don't need a license at all with tractors on the road, and you could drive them from a very young age too. Which country has the legalised Wagon Trains with a truck and several trailers allowed on certain roads?

no idea. Only know what it’s like here. We do have road trains but only 2 or 3 trailers on certain roads. Not much use at harvest. Really long trucks seem to be in the mining areas up north