Vegans and fractures

[Tarw Coch]

Eh , tell us something we didn't know!!!

What next from.Oxford university, bears sh!t in the woods???

Probably take another 18 year study to come to that conclusion

 

[Tarw Coch]

just out of interest....how do you find this stuff ? The Oxford mail ? You trawling the internet looking for vegan stories ? Dedication, that is.

It’s all over Facebook

 

[deleted user 837354]

One big change in the last 20 odd years mind is the supplements now readily available. A lot of vegans are probably taking a lot of supplements to make up for what they are missing from not eating meat and dairy so possibly the figures should be even worse. Of the few people my grandparents age who were vegan (was fairly rare 20 year ago) they all had brittle bones etc in older age. They would predate supplements.

Older people, particularly women lose the protective effect of oestrogen and this has a profound effect on bone density and the elasticity of many tissues (including those that surround blood vessels).

 

[Canada Farmer]

Probably take another 18 year study to come to that conclusion

If that's even remotely true, doesn't inspire any confidence in academic institutions, eh

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Older people, particularly women lose the protective effect of oestrogen and this has a profound effect on bone density and the elasticity of many tissues (including those that surround blood vessels).

HRT is for winners

 

[Grandad Pig]

Certainly not, To quote Mr Gove, we have had enough of experts. Not like they are useful at all, for serious things, like, ooh, vaccines and things.

 

[Yale]

Go vegan,save the planet........by dying out because of unthriftiness.

 

[Dave6170]

Oddly enough veganism is quite popular among sports people including Venus and Serena Williams, Virat Kohli and David Haye the boxer to say nothing of our favourite F1 star

I'd never of thought that the Williams sister were vegan, 1 of them is built like a tank!
Our favourite f1 star is just A class twit, even has his dog on a vegan diet which is cruelty

 

[Canada Farmer]

HRT is for winners

Eh You'd have to be very careful saying that in Australia!!!

 

[britt]

Oddly enough veganism is quite popular among sports people including Venus and Serena Williams, Virat Kohli and David Haye the boxer to say nothing of our favourite F1 star

How many of those were vegans growing up ?
F1 is hardly a contact sport and Hamilton has made it quite clear that he is only doing it now salve his conscience on carbon ie for publicity. Ironically our teenage kids and their friends all laugh at his hypocrisy.

 

[Yale]

I'd never of thought that the Williams sister were vegan, 1 of them is built like a tank!
Our favourite f1 star is just A class twit, even has his dog on a vegan diet which is cruelty

Vegan chocolate and biscuits?

 

[Bald Rick]

How many of those were vegans growing up ?
F1 is hardly a contact sport and Hamilton has made it quite clear that he is only doing it now salve his conscience on carbon ie for publicity. Ironically our teenage kids and their friends all laugh at his hypocrisy.

None were vegans growing up as far as I am aware but quite a few are attributing their change in diet to enhanced performance in their chosen field.
Now you could argue that that is the mind at play rather than diet

My personal view is that dairy - either raw or converted in to wholesome products - is the best dietary choice (in moderation of course) but then I would say that

 

[Bald Rick]

Eh , tell us something we didn't know!!!

What next from.Oxford university, bears sh!t in the woods???

I think you are missing the point - either deliberately or not - but to carry out scientific research over that length of time gives the study balance, gravitas & credibility unlike polls & opinion surveys which are just a mere snapshot.
I suspect that the vegan community as a whole are well aware of the issues with their dietary choice but individuals are perhaps not.

It is suggested that there are 600,000 Brits who are vegans. Sure make a lot of noise some of them (but equally there are only 109,000 farmers in the UK)

 

[Gong Farmer]

I am pretty sure that I have read that you can't supplement a poor diet, if your food does not contain the elements needed, taking pills does not make up the shortfall, it may in a theoretical sense, but the gut and digestion is so diverse that we really don't know all that goes on there. I think we have more bacteria in our gut than there are stars in the sky. The answer, is not eat poorly and take pills to make up the shortfall, but rather, eat a diverse diet of good quality food (and not too much sugar or carbs, and fresh ingredients).

Our bodies have more bacterial cells than body cells.

But of course, they can all be replenished with soya yogurts.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Eh You'd have to be very careful saying that in Australia!!!

I'm not in Australia so that's all fine.

 

[primmiemoo]

I am pretty sure that I have read that you can't supplement a poor diet, if your food does not contain the elements needed, taking pills does not make up the shortfall, it may in a theoretical sense, but the gut and digestion is so diverse that we really don't know all that goes on there. I think we have more bacteria in our gut than there are stars in the sky. The answer, is not eat poorly and take pills to make up the shortfall, but rather, eat a diverse diet of good quality food (and not too much sugar or carbs, and fresh ingredients).

That's what's being said about dogs that are fed vegetarian/vegan diets. The "supplements" are no substitute for natural, uncomplicated, nutrition.

 

[Chris F]

Oddly enough veganism is quite popular among sports people including Venus and Serena Williams, Virat Kohli and David Haye the boxer to say nothing of our favourite F1 star

It is possible to eat really well as a vegan, when you watch chefs prepare vegan meals its amazing to see. However, we aren't all chefs and the ability of many people to feed themselves is pretty poor without taking away key nutrients.

 

[melted welly]

That's what's being said about dogs that are fed vegetarian/vegan diets. The "supplements" are no substitute for natural, uncomplicated, nutrition.

Why there’s so many fat pets, they’re loaded up with carbs in the pet food now.

A mid to high end dog food:

Composition: Turkey meal (18%), Wheat, Corn, Rice (9%), Lamb meal (7%), Poultry fat, Soya meal, Wheat middling, Dried beet pulp, Digest, Dried chicory root (1%), Minerals, Dried carrot (0.07%), Dried spinach (0.07%), Dried parsley (0.07%).

Additives: Nutritional additives: UI / kg: Vit. A: 21 000 Vit. D3: 1 200 Vit E: 100 mg / kg: Ferrous sulphate monohydrate: (Fe: 86); Calcium iodate anhydrous: (I: 2.2); Cupric sulphate pentahydrate: (Cu: 9.5); Manganous sulphate monohydrate: (Mn: 6.5); Zinc sulphate monohydrate: (Zn: 120); Sodium selenite: (Se: 0.21); Antioxidants.

Analytical constituents: Protein: 26.0%, Fat content: 13.0%, Crude ash: 8.0% Crude fibres: 3.0% Omega 3 fatty acids: 0.12% Omega 6 fatty acids: 2.5%

Anyone know why the % composition only adds up to 35%? Is it because it’s predominantly wheat, corn and soya?

 

[Danllan]

Certainly not, To quote Mr Gove, we have had enough of experts. Not like they are useful at all, for serious things, like, ooh, vaccines and things.

Quote in context. I'm sure that you, like the rest of us, have come across an 'expert' on X, Y or Z who had no or little real-world experience and wasn't up to much; anyone who has signed up for farm assurance knows all about this.

 

[organicguy]

Our bodies have more bacterial cells than body cells.

But of course, they can all be replenished with soya yogurts.

3 trillion!
They control our immune system, produce nutrients that we don't eat in our diet and many thousands of things we still don't know about.