antares100
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That's a great rational argument you make, makes about as much sense as continuing partition.
What is the future for Northern Ireland
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The passport thing has always been a daft one. Could never understand why anyone would want a passport to say they were a citizen of another country that they have never lived in, rarely if ever visited, never paid income tax to and never claimed from. Yet they don't need a passport from the country they have all these things in common with.
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As for the brexit vote. That's just another nonsense used by people like yourself who enjoy creating division. There wasn't a Northern Ireland vote, which is what it's known as by the way, not 'the six counties.'. There was a nationwide vote, and the result was to leave. The people made their choice.
.As for the brexit vote. That's just another nonsense used by people like yourself who enjoy creating division. There wasn't a Northern Ireland vote, which is what it's known as by the way, not 'the six counties.'. There was a nationwide vote, and the result was to leave. The people made their choice.
makes a lot more sense than when the great bearded one forecast ireland would be united by 2016
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If you hate partition so much, come and rejoin us in the Union. Partition was created by republicans when they removed the south from the Union. It was always made clear we weren't leaving, and you still haven't got the message it seems.
Come back, it makes sense in so many ways! We are your biggest trading partner. You are now a net contributor to the EU, so it's no longer any use to you. It's quite obvious if you think about it.
Come back, it makes sense in so many ways! We are your biggest trading partner. You are now a net contributor to the EU, so it's no longer any use to you. It's quite obvious if you think about it.
Danllan
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I think that the following indicates great possibilities; I find it quite remarkable, and a good reason for hope too...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38686420
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38686420
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Can you explain in more detail?
Boohoo
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Boys lets not spoil a good forum by going to deep into the politics in Northern Ireland.
And before any one claims ignorance you all know what I mean
And before any one claims ignorance you all know what I mean
Well said.
Anyway Paisley Jnr, on TV gave a glimpse of an attitude which gives great hope for the future. He amply demonstrated he is reaching out to the nationalist side.
He acknowledges that McGuinness had moved on also as indicated by the trust he had gained and bridges he had built with both
Ian Paisley Snr, and Peter Robinson.
I think between words, he basically said others need to move on also.
By others he meant Arlene Foster.
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Some speculation that this a leadership bid by Paisley Junior.
I got that feeling also. The Dodd must be making a few phone calls as well.
Ken Dodd as leader of the DUP?!? That would certainly liven up local politics.
(They might even get something done without messing it up like they have with RHI!).
Wellytrack
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Junior in leadership bid.
Sigh....
Short memory in politics then so.
Sigh....
Short memory in politics then so.
Danllan
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Happy to... IP Jnr has a history of being 'true' to his people, much as MG has, yet he has paid a particularly articulate tribute to MG despite being in no way obliged to do so (IP Snr and MG getting along aside). Whether or not this will be the start of an ascent for IP Jnr within the party is neither here nor there, the fact that he has done it gives me hope.
Don't misunderstand me, NI is British and it still saddens me that the Republic left the UK. I'd happily see all the Anglo-Celtic peoples back together - even under a monarch - and it wouldn't bother me if the capital was in London, Edinburgh, Dublin, Wellington, Canberra or Ottawa.
(By the way, I'm ex British Army, a staunch Unionist and a republican - but not in the NI sense, I just don't like monarchies, much...)
Wellytrack
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A general over simplification if you don't mind me saying so, do you think what a politician says on telly is the same as they would say in a closed room?
Look at the wider political wrangling within the parties, the posturing for higher standing, these people are always 'true' to themselves first above and beyond any of their 'people' Infact they have often exploited and manipulated the very people they say they represent to get to the positions they now occupy.
Everybody I speak to are sick of the lot of them, and see through their BS.
Danllan
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Say as you will, it's a free forum. What they say on the TV is what the people hear, so as far as public opinion goes it is more important. As for being sick of them all, find me anyone, anywhere who really likes the politicos they have...
Wellytrack
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My point is you should well know what it's like with career politicians, it's easy blabbing what you think people want to hear, quite another making people believe it, act upon it, and quite another entirely bringing people with you.
This is not Paisley Jnr's first Rodeo, nor his last - plenty more of his type on both sides.
Politics here is still tribal, the deals that have been done behind the scenes to get us to where we are are seen by some as a necessary evil, to others a stand down or surrender, and even to some a betrayal.
Stormont is somewhere to throw custard pies at one another rather than ordinance, it's just now almost 20 years on everyone rightly expects some real actions on some real issues that effect our schools, hospitals, and Incredibly outdated infrastructure from their elected representatives, when they are returned Election after Election they invariably fudge it up.
Call a new election, rinse and repeat.
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That may be so. I think it's obvious Arlene didn't like working with Sinn Fein. But that doesn't necessarily mean she didn't want to work with nationalists in general. Perhaps we have to remember that her background is still a problem for her, which is understandable. After all, McGuiness's colleagues crept up on father and put a bullet in his head while he was shutting the cattle in, and they set off a bomb under a school bus while she was on it. It doesn't get much more traumatic than that.
For the political arrangement in which we find ourselves, my view is that Arlene is just not the right person for the job, and the reasons for that are no fault of hers. Terrorism leaves a legacy. Someone who understands the terrorism of the past, but who is not still directly traumatised by it, would be better suited to working with Sinn Fein. Of course, Sinn Fein could take a step forward and replace McGuinness with someone who wasn't involved in terrorism. We'll have to see.
In the meantime, nothing gets done, which is about as much as they were getting done before when they were there.
I'm not a trump fan due to his ungentlemanly and unstatesmanlike presentation. But you'd still love him to walk into stormont and tell them to get things done. To make us great again etc. Who is willing and able to be that driver?
Danllan
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No naivety on my part, I've worked with, and even have friends who are, politicians; and I've been in NI both professionally and socially. Of course that is just scratching the surface, but I believe I'm bright enough to get my head around the issues - solving them is a different thing altogether.
'Arlene' certainly has baggage, and if she can't set it aside she was in the wrong job, this despite my having great personal sympathy for her. IP Jnr is a politician, it's that simple, and he will say what he has to - but in this case he was saying something he didn't have to.
The 'rinse and repeat' line could, again, be used for most democratic legislatures and governments, the key word there being 'democratic'. However, occasionally, there is a real difference made at the ballot box and someone decent gets in and gets things done.; it is a sad truth that this is the exception rather than rule but, along with a peaceful democracy, it's a hell of a lot better than any alternative I'm aware of.
It would be naïve for anyone to expect, rather than hope for, a great set administrators every or even most times.
'Arlene' certainly has baggage, and if she can't set it aside she was in the wrong job, this despite my having great personal sympathy for her. IP Jnr is a politician, it's that simple, and he will say what he has to - but in this case he was saying something he didn't have to.
The 'rinse and repeat' line could, again, be used for most democratic legislatures and governments, the key word there being 'democratic'. However, occasionally, there is a real difference made at the ballot box and someone decent gets in and gets things done.; it is a sad truth that this is the exception rather than rule but, along with a peaceful democracy, it's a hell of a lot better than any alternative I'm aware of.
It would be naïve for anyone to expect, rather than hope for, a great set administrators every or even most times.