M-J-G
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Any names?
Whats in your AI tank??
- Thread starter Gareth Bryson
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Ever get this sold?
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Does anyone recall a bull called "Evergallant"? I've seen it written down somewhere but not sure what it is.
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Netherhall Gallant is as close as my memory would get.
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Lim then I'm imagining
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Yeah, cogent bull so most likely red strawsLim then I'm imagining
pat kcotnit
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Calves off that bull will be stereotypical limousin, fiery and flighty. We used him for a year or two but stopped because of their temperament. Good calves though apart from that.
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Shame that trait still exists in the “modern” Lim.
you a frequent cogent beef bull user?
choochter
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I have a Kaprico Eravelle daughter, quiet as a mouse, as are her 2 daughters.
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I’ve plenty of quiet Coachhouse Inspector progeny here; was more querying if a lot of the wider used AI sires were breeding nutters on the commercial and/or pure job?
choochter
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I would hope not, I would hope that today's pedigree breeders are very much focussed on good temperament as well as other important attributes.
Pistonbroke
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It surprising how far back in the breeding a loony can still rear it's head and affect the temperament. We had a bull whose great grandfather was a psycho. Bull himself was a total softie,calves by him would try to kill you.
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hope and reality are two very different things and there’s still plenty prepared to breed from crap attitude in the pursuit of shape etc. if stuff doesn’t behave here it gets a one way ticket and no danger of being sold for breeding but you still hear the bay times from others that have paid a high price in more than one way.
pat kcotnit
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Not really. Use Genus for AI so use their bulls mainly, but at the time Genus didn't have many good lim bulls so tried gallant. Use mainly tweeddale lennox at the moment, also tomschoice nation but probably going to move away from him due to being a protoporphyria carrier (oswald is a carrier as well).
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If there’s a bad one in the back breeding it seems to rear its head somewhere and in breeding females it doesn’t necessarily skip a generation but waits for 2 or 3 calves before it blows out
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If Ironman is in the £80 bracket you’d expect him to be somewhere on there surely? Royalty to pay mr Watson of £30 too and a €100 defect test on progeny, all adds up
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Lennox progeny breeding pretty well here; I’ve been using Fuschia, Lowerffrydd Empire and Gorrycam Hazard. Rate Fuschia for short gestation
choochter
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A few years ago I bought 6 weaned heifers, sired by the same bull, off one farm.
Weighed them every month. Since they were for breeding, monitored their temperaments closely.
The ones with the worst temperaments had the worst daily liveweight gain and the ones with the best temperaments had the best dlwt gain, all the way from 6mths old to 15mths, never varied.
The two with the worst temperaments didn't get bulled. The one with the next worst temperament had a dead calf and went fat.
That taught me that a good temperament has economic advantages too.
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Chilled stock will stand at the fence and eat, that is a fact. British Blue is the king of temperament and cow production here, but it’s handy having an LM or two to cross in and out, just don’t want high feet or long gestation when I’m doing the job solo.