WTF has happened in Scotland?

[Stuart J]

For political balance I also get the Express and the Daily Mail.

Sarcasm I presume?

As balanced as one man on a seesaw.

 

[caveman]

There's probably a reason why the Torygraph sells a million times more copies than the Lying Scotsmen.

 

[capfits]

@caveman oh dear old cavey, the Telegraph sell a million a day?
Certainly the Scotsmen does not sell in big numbers, but I actually genuinely thought that the Telegraph was just chip wrapper for the Shires.

 

[capfits]

Proper Doo doo day tomorrow by the looks of things.

 

[puppet]

The inquiry members will be shaking as much as Nicola's head will be nodding as she has her dander up now. Someone will fall on their sword as they cannot all be telling the truth.
River City has nothing on this real life soap.

 

[Danllan]

Well, the new 'improved' law has just been passed, its title is the Hate Crime Bill. But it could be more accurately termed the 'Thought Crime Bill', since it will soon be possible - in Scotland - to say something in the privacy of your own home, alone and without being in contact with anyone else on the internet or by 'phone, and be sent to prison for doing so... utter madness.

An entirely disingenuous advocation of the Bill by the ever-token Humza Yousaf claimed that 'stating any belief' could not lead to conviction under it; the man is an idiot and, clearly, has not read his own legislation or has not understood it, or has deliberately lied.

This is bad law: it puts the individual under the thumb of the State, it allows ill-wishers to accuse with impunity, it puts the police in an invidious position, it limits the legal extent of academic and journalistic discourse and it removes any possible claim that MSPs who supported it may have with regard to being supporters of 'human rights'.

That last bit is an irony, if you like, since most MSPs claim to want to be part of the EU, yet parts of the EU's own Charter of Fundamental Rights* are entirely incompatible with this Bill. It is bad law.



*Articles 6, 10, 12 & 13

 

[czechmate]

Well, the new 'improved' law has just been passed, its title is the Hate Crime Bill. But it could be more accurately termed the 'Thought Crime Bill', since it will soon be possible - in Scotland - to say something in the privacy of your own home, alone and without being in contact with anyone else on the internet or by 'phone, and be sent to prison for doing so... utter madness.

An entirely disingenuous advocation of the Bill by the ever-token Humza Yousaf claimed that 'stating any belief' could not lead to conviction under it; the man is an idiot and, clearly, has not read his own legislation or has not understood it, or has deliberately lied.

This is bad law: it puts the individual under the thumb of the State, it allows ill-wishers to accuse with impunity, it puts the police in an invidious position, it limits the legal extent of academic and journalistic discourse and it removes any possible claim that MSPs who supported it may have with regard to being supporters of 'human rights'.

That last bit is an irony, if you like, since most MSPs claim to want to be part of the EU, yet parts of the EU's own Charter of Fundamental Rights* are entirely incompatible with this Bill. It is bad law.



*Articles 6, 10, 12 & 13

How would anyone know?

 

[toquark]

Well, the new 'improved' law has just been passed, its title is the Hate Crime Bill. But it could be more accurately termed the 'Thought Crime Bill', since it will soon be possible - in Scotland - to say something in the privacy of your own home, alone and without being in contact with anyone else on the internet or by 'phone, and be sent to prison for doing so... utter madness.

An entirely disingenuous advocation of the Bill by the ever-token Humza Yousaf claimed that 'stating any belief' could not lead to conviction under it; the man is an idiot and, clearly, has not read his own legislation or has not understood it, or has deliberately lied.

This is bad law: it puts the individual under the thumb of the State, it allows ill-wishers to accuse with impunity, it puts the police in an invidious position, it limits the legal extent of academic and journalistic discourse and it removes any possible claim that MSPs who supported it may have with regard to being supporters of 'human rights'.

That last bit is an irony, if you like, since most MSPs claim to want to be part of the EU, yet parts of the EU's own Charter of Fundamental Rights* are entirely incompatible with this Bill. It is bad law.



*Articles 6, 10, 12 & 13

A dreadful price of legislation. I honestly wonder how long Scotland will continue on its March to authoritarian rule. I give up. Cumbria’s nice.

 

[Martin Holden]

How would anyone know?

The world has gone mad! Oh it did that a long time ago. I despair at modern society and its knee jerk reactions. Where the hell has common sense gone? There is so much more to life than all this devolved power whether that be national, regional and local. It just adds extra layers for the rest of us taxpayers to fund!

 

[czechmate]

The world has gone mad! Oh it did that a long time ago. I despair at modern society and its knee jerk reactions. Where the hell has common sense gone? There is so much more to life than all this devolved power whether that be national, regional and local. It just adds extra layers for the rest of us taxpayers to fund!

You pay tax!?!?!
You can’t go around admitting such things on a farming forum

ESP when you sell to farmers

 

[Martin Holden]

You pay tax!?!?!
You can’t go around admitting such things on a farming forum

ESP when you sell to farmers

Ah! Is this where the missing millions are? In your pocket and many other like minded land owners?

 

[Danllan]

How would anyone know?

Lots of ways... off the top of my head: 'Alexa?'; a recording on your 'phone that someone opens later; you telling someone later; a diary or personal journal being read by another; a friend / member of your family mentioning it; eavesdroppers, others if a bit of thought is applied. I think the most insidious thing is that a child mentioning / being asked about something overheard at school could see a parent behind bars...

 

[czechmate]

Lots of ways... off the top of my head: 'Alexa?'; a recording on your 'phone that someone opens later; you telling someone later; a diary or personal journal being read by another; a friend / member of your family mentioning it; eavesdroppers. And others if a bit of thought is applied. I think the most insidious thing is that a small child mentioning / being asked about something overheard at school could see a parent behind bars...

That reminds me of a funny thing about how Americans think of brits (probably Europeans?)
At Wimbledon Andy Murray playing in the mixed the female opponent sounded a bit like Alexa. So, in a quiet moment, one commentator said it could be a complicated name to have at home these days. The other commentator, retired American player responded, (not in a joking way at all) “oh, do you really have Alexa over here?”


We don’t have it, do you have it in Wales yet?

 

[Danllan]

That reminds me of a funny thing about how Americans think of brits (probably Europeans?)
At Wimbledon Andy Murray playing in the mixed the female opponent sounded a bit like Alexa. So, in a quiet moment, one commentator said it could be a complicated name to have at home these days. The other commentator, retired American player responded, (not in a joking way at all) “oh, do you really have Alexa over here?”


We don’t have it, do you have it in Wales yet?

I wouldn't have it in my house under any circumstances. No problem with Amazon generally, and 'Prime' is useful, but the spy-kit is taking the p!ss.

 

[Agrivator]

Well, the new 'improved' law has just been passed, its title is the Hate Crime Bill. But it could be more accurately termed the 'Thought Crime Bill', since it will soon be possible - in Scotland - to say something in the privacy of your own home, alone and without being in contact with anyone else on the internet or by 'phone, and be sent to prison for doing so... utter madness.

An entirely disingenuous advocation of the Bill by the ever-token Humza Yousaf claimed that 'stating any belief' could not lead to conviction under it; the man is an idiot and, clearly, has not read his own legislation or has not understood it, or has deliberately lied.

This is bad law: it puts the individual under the thumb of the State, it allows ill-wishers to accuse with impunity, it puts the police in an invidious position, it limits the legal extent of academic and journalistic discourse and it removes any possible claim that MSPs who supported it may have with regard to being supporters of 'human rights'.

That last bit is an irony, if you like, since most MSPs claim to want to be part of the EU, yet parts of the EU's own Charter of Fundamental Rights* are entirely incompatible with this Bill. It is bad law.



*Articles 6, 10, 12 & 13

There is no doubt that Humza Yousaf is a sinister control freak. What is more worrying is that a good majority of MPs in the Scottish Parliament voted through his appalling Hate Crime Bill.

 

[czechmate]

I wouldn't have it in my house under any circumstances. No problem with Amazon generally, and 'Prime' is useful, but the spy-kit is taking the p!ss.

More to the point, in these Covid days, when lives can be saved be people being thinner/fitter, is that people like my mum, who was always lazy long before she was old, need to get out their chair... LESS

 

[nivilla1982]

Is there a breakdown on parties support or opposition towards this legislation ?

 

[JP1]

 

[Danllan]

Scottish Comedian on SNP's shocking Hate Crime Bill - YouTube

 

[Danllan]

He's now listed potential offences in one of his routines:

Scottish comedian breaches the SNPs Hate Crime Bill - Leo Kearse - YouTube