- Location
- Berkshire
It says Granules and talks about spreading well at 36m ??
Urea vs Nitram
- Thread starter cotswoldcs
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Fish
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- Location
- North yorkshire
Just buy the stuff in bulk and shovel it straight into the spreader with the loadall, save on all that plastic.
Must be almost 30 years since we had any blue bags on this farm.
Must be almost 30 years since we had any blue bags on this farm.
- Location
- Berkshire
Depends when you bought maybe??
I bought Urea 17% cheaper than Nitram for Harvest '19 ( I take no credit for this, all down to my buying group ? )
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
I'd second that. I swapped to urea for the bulk of my N, from imported AN a few years ago and I cant see any reason to go back. I'm on light sandy high PH soil in the east so according to the trade/experts urea should be a no no but my yields are just as good if not better than with AN but the important thing is to get good big doses on early and be done by end of march/early april at a push.
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
Alzon is granular, ive used it several times
Good info thanks. Some really good savings to be had. I’ve also managed to get a bells and whistles trailed amazon fert spreader at a really excellent price. I know bags are a pain in the backside but what I will probably do is put a big auger on the back of a grain trailer and use that to fill the spreader off and keep all the fert stored at the base
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
We can’t access nitram / AN anymore, since 2001
we use urea for everything here, a lot gets put through spreaders top dressing crops . . . But it is all prilled urea, not urea “fines”
we use urea for everything here, a lot gets put through spreaders top dressing crops . . . But it is all prilled urea, not urea “fines”
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- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
There has been a lot of ( independent & government sponsored ) research into losses from urea here, pointing that losses are generally less than once thought
public access, they would be easy enough to find if anyone interested
grdc.com.au
www.publish.csiro.au
public access, they would be easy enough to find if anyone interested
Nitrogen volatilisation: Factors affecting how much N is lost and how much is left over time
Take home messagesFertiliser nitrogen may be lost from the soil in several different ways, including; ammonia volatilisation, nitrate leaching and nitrate denitrification. Factors affecting these losses include fertiliser compound, fertiliser form, type of application, timing of application...
Ammonia volatilisation from nitrogen fertilisers surface-applied to bare fallows, wheat crops and perennial-grass-based pastures on Vertosols
Farmers on Vertosols in the northern grains region of Australia are increasingly using pre-crop broadcasting and in-crop topdressing of nitrogen (N) fertilisers. Surface application risks gaseous loss via ammonia volatilisation, but the magnitude of N loss is unknown. Because both soil...
www.publish.csiro.au
ollie989898
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If you get a cold spring the urea will not get to work as fast as AN. I've seen it several times in wheat and grass. If it's damp and warm, the urea comes into play a lot faster but the cold dry springs the prills just sit there and you don't see the kick into the crop as fast.
Sulphur should be going on anytime N is applied these days.
Sulphur should be going on anytime N is applied these days.
ollie989898
Member
That Amidas is a great product.
ollie989898
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Go earlier, soon as you can travel, it won't go anywhere and it can take 2 weeks to show any difference in the crop.
Piamon is your friend, it is a lovely product to spread. Ring @crazy_bull, he doesn't bite.
Chuck 247kg/ha
on as soon as you can travel in February, top up with your favoured Straight N a month later. If straight N is to be Urea, switch these applications if S leaching is a worry.I have grumbled about Urea not getting into crop well enough in the past, but a side by side trial this year with AN shows no apparent visible benefit of the Blue-bag ££ premium today; provided always that Urea product goes on early enough and to moisture. It has certainly been dry enough this year.
In fact in other "experiments", there is a small spillage of Double Top in one field that has still not dissolved away in 6 weeks. So if you are using that as a first NS dose I doubt it is any more quickly available than Urea product (or Piamon/Amidas if you want it to spread properly).
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- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
I have in the past done a tramline trial of applying Alzon in 1 dose (500 kg/ha) with no noticable difference
That was disappointing - Politics or commercial bias has got its claws into BASIS, an organisation that used to pride itself on the application of science. Ian Richards is getting an earful next time I see him
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Out of interest, what sort of prices are Amidas & Piamon currently, compared to urea at £215 and AN at £195?
A better buy than Blue Bag.
Breakthru
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Agree entirely. My preference is to start with in old money terms a bag of 34.5 AN to get early growth in cold weather which you don't get with urea and then put on all the urea in one go a fortnight later. In my experience you get nice steady grass growth through the main part of the season without any growth surges causing stock problems.
Can you still get urea at £215, or is that delivery Jul/Aug 28 days paymt?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Piamon is a great product. Especially for a first dose. It's that mix of the urea and the ans for that early growth.