Urea vs Nitram

[ajd132]

Err, just as an aside, if moisture is limiting or we are going into a dry season, we tend to limit or reduce or N applications . . .


no one ever said, “sh!t, me wheats looking a bit crook cos it’s as dry as a dead dingos donga, I better chuck some more N on to give it a boost”

the most crucial nutrient is water . . ,

And carbon

 

[Renaultman]

It’s funny how certain companies love to slag urea despite making it.
I’m actually moving from AN based liquid to a urea sulphur product 38-0-0-19 from yara as making big changes to our nutrition regime, it seems a great product despite them always being negative on urea in the U.K.! Sulphur in liquid form is either disgustingly expensive or a huge ballache logistically and labour wise.

Have you thought of liquid? A mix of Urea and N with Sulphur in. Got to admit it's not without it's challenges on a dry spring like the last 2 but I am really happy with th results I am getting with it. To the OP I wouldn't be frightened to go to urea, just apply a bit earlier.

 

[Farmer Roy]

And carbon

and sunlight

 

[cricketandcrops]

water and sunlight........always said when harvest is poor the agronomist gets the blame.........when harvest is good, its because of the weather

how about a balanced view from someone who uses and advises on both, both need managing very differently:

* AN will act faster, but is more prone to leaching, therefore I always advise smaller doses when going early
* Urea will act slower, but is less prone to leaching, therefore I always advise can use a higher dose when going early

For example this spring, I advised 40 kg N with AN and 80 kg N with Urea and liquid around 60 kg N, is that not good practice? I don't know, it just felt right with what I was seeing in the fields. I also advised those with Urea based fertiliser and a massive area of spring crops to try and apply it in the seedbed and drill into it to get some cover under the soil. I would not have wanted urea sat on bare soil throughout April and May. I believe AN gives you more flexibility on timings than Urea, but soil type also a factor, as is end market, as is location. I could go on and on and on about all the other factors but I won't I will just say it isn't as black and white as some make out.

I am sure I will still get shot down, however IMO the above is a balanced view

 

[SilliamWhale]

water and sunlight........always said when harvest is poor the agronomist gets the blame.........when harvest is good, its because of the weather

how about a balanced view from someone who uses and advises on both, both need managing very differently:

* AN will act faster, but is more prone to leaching, therefore I always advise smaller doses when going early
* Urea will act slower, but is less prone to leaching, therefore I always advise can use a higher dose when going early

For example this spring, I advised 40 kg N with AN and 80 kg N with Urea and liquid around 60 kg N, is that not good practice? I don't know, it just felt right with what I was seeing in the fields. I also advised those with Urea based fertiliser and a massive area of spring crops to try and apply it in the seedbed and drill into it to get some cover under the soil. I would not have wanted urea sat on bare soil throughout April and May. I believe AN gives you more flexibility on timings than Urea, but soil type also a factor, as is end market, as is location. I could go on and on and on about all the other factors but I won't I will just say it isn't as black and white as some make out.

I am sure I will still get shot down, however IMO the above is a balanced view

It is a balanced view and I'm not shooting you down but in the light of lower cost/ little yield difference then Urea should tip the balance!

 

[cricketandcrops]

It is a balanced view and I'm not shooting you down but in the light of lower cost/ little yield difference then Urea should tip the balance!

OK, as I said not black and white

 

[yellow belly]

water and sunlight........always said when harvest is poor the agronomist gets the blame.........when harvest is good, its because of the weather

how about a balanced view from someone who uses and advises on both, both need managing very differently:

* AN will act faster, but is more prone to leaching, therefore I always advise smaller doses when going early
* Urea will act slower, but is less prone to leaching, therefore I always advise can use a higher dose when going early

For example this spring, I advised 40 kg N with AN and 80 kg N with Urea and liquid around 60 kg N, is that not good practice? I don't know, it just felt right with what I was seeing in the fields. I also advised those with Urea based fertiliser and a massive area of spring crops to try and apply it in the seedbed and drill into it to get some cover under the soil. I would not have wanted urea sat on bare soil throughout April and May. I believe AN gives you more flexibility on timings than Urea, but soil type also a factor, as is end market, as is location. I could go on and on and on about all the other factors but I won't I will just say it isn't as black and white as some make out.

I am sure I will still get shot down, however IMO the above is a balanced view

so if you are on dry Farm put urea on early as leaching risk is lower if it rains after
if you use an and it stays dry and havnot got it on it will not work any quicker in a dry time because the crop needs rain to get the n into it
in a dry time any n Fert needs to be on early either urea or an but if the dry breaks then the an can be leached
this is a particular risk on heavy drained land
not this year

what we need is accurate 2 month weather forecasts

I have used an liquid and urea over the years
when it dry makes no odds the crop need rain
when it is too wet makes no odds travelling is the problem it all works the same

 

[Brisel]

how about a balanced view from someone who uses and advises on both, both need managing very differently:

I am sure I will still get shot down, however IMO the above is a balanced view

Your employer is pretty vocal about the disadvantages of urea in their UK marketing bumf, despite Yara being one of the world's top urea producers!

...but a rounded answer, thank you.