kiwi pom
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Yep, that's why the farmers did what they did in the link I posted.
It would be interesting to know whether the quality of their grain has gone up now they are using it in their own mill.
Just goes too show how wheat has been devalued. If true.
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Yep, that's why the farmers did what they did in the link I posted.
It would be interesting to know whether the quality of their grain has gone up now they are using it in their own mill.
Christoph1945
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Are you implying that the quality was 'perhaps' falsely rejected by the millers, or once they had to mill the product them selves that they took greater care to ensure that the grain was more suitable for milling?
wanton dwarf
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I would imply that millers buy top rated milling Wheat and add in feed Wheat to bulk it out or add in other products .. used to be done in centuries past with minerals like Chalk.
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NZ has more than enough water, Australia either has too much or too little depending on the year and area. neither country really needs population growth.
wanton dwarf
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Pretty obvious that my comment about Water was associated with Austrailia.
Both countries need population for different reasons .. NZ because it has low population compared to land mass and Austrailia just because it is so big with so many resources - it needs population to gain money and power on the world stage.
glasshouse
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Giving a percentage ofthe crop is way better than a fixed cash rent
glasshouse
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Australia has plenty water, it just needs moving to where its short
kiwi pom
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I'm not implying anything, it's just that if you own both sides of the operation everything you do only affects you. So a mill might reject a load because it's full or there's been a breakdown or for a genuine quality reason, no worries for them. If it's their own grain delivered on their own trucks it affects their bottom line.
It is possible that any sub standard wheat would be sent for feed rather than chucking it on the truck and hoping for the best
Christoph1945
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I don't know about centuries past but I can recall Hovis producing a loaf called 'Hovis Nothing Added' and implying that other bread, with additives, was responsible for producing cantankerous augmentative families and changing to 'Hovis Nothing Added' cured the family frictions; some of you may well recall seeing the Hovis adds on tv.
There are, of course, other lines of thought that some family frictions are indirectly caused by the chemicals that farmers use on their crops but after considerable thought and investigation I have come to the conclusion that Hovis had correctly identified a social dietary problem within our communities but missed the real cause of the situation ............ 'the wheat it's self' ........ and the 'gluten' within it's chemical structure.
For the sake of those mostly affected by gluten intolerance more and more food companies are using 'corn flour' in place of 'wheat flour' in their products and no doubt that is why we are seeing more and more maize growing taking place in the UK but I believe that maize growing brings with it more agricultural problems and land damage.
wanton dwarf
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There is nothing wrong with blending Feed & Milling Wheat to attain a specific Protein Hagberg mix .. indeed we have produced Wheat with Protein which was too high.
Gluten intolerance comes from a "Leaky Gut" .. which is a medical condition where the intestines has been damaged. This allows large food particles to enter the blood stream .. hence creating allergic reactions.
"Leaky gut syndrome"
"Leaky gut syndrome" is a proposed condition some health practitioners claim is the cause of a wide range of long-term conditions.
www.nhs.uk
The addition of replacement products to Wheat is usually a choice about cost of production or attaining a particular goal such as shelf life or ease of baking. In times past the lack of availability of Wheat was also a problem hence the use of other products.
primmiemoo
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It's something that only sank in with me since a nearby large dairy outfit started growing it, but the forage maize that's grown for anaerobic digesters (and also dairy cattle rations) isn't the sweetcorn maize that's grown for human consumption.
Cornflour comes from sweetcorn, afaik. It will be imported, I think.
Years ago, an otherwise intelligent farmer told me that forage maize is "just a sort of grass". Technically correct, of course, but it's a horrible, damaging, crop when grown in any situation other than a perfect one.
With Hovis, my mother latched on to the "... and nothing taken away" element of the advertising. She couldn't abide standard Chorleywood white bread, so we had Hovis until she could find real bread.
True gluten allergy is rare, and those who feel they have an intolerance to gluten often have poor gut flora. Feed the flora what they need, and upset tums and skin have chance to settle and heal.
primmiemoo
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Just adding, because of the historical aspect of this thread ~ not everyone in Britain would have had wheat as a staple cereal until relatively recently. Barley and oats would be the best option for much of the North and West of Britain, being far more tolerant of the prevailing soils and rainfall.
People there would have been eating barley frummenty, and oat porridge, as well as barley bread, and oat breads.
People there would have been eating barley frummenty, and oat porridge, as well as barley bread, and oat breads.
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It wasn't that obvious, it is surprising how many people think that NZ is just an extension of Australia. Neither country needs any more population, we are both fine as we are, having said that both countries have in recent years seen positive population growth.
wanton dwarf
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I've lived and worked in NZ. Not many people .. pretty over cast when I was there.
Got some special attention from the Maori's both good & bad.
I heard on an Aussie YouTube vid earlier that in 1920 a brand new tractor cost £700, equivalent of 70 ton of wheat at that time. And fert was subsidised by the Government.
Christoph1945
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Aaah, I didn't realise the difference between the two maizes and your point about gut flora is probably worth a closer look.
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Aaah, I didn't realise the difference between the two maizes and your point about gut flora is probably worth a closer look.
there’s actually at least 4 different types of maize
1 - grown for grain. Used as animal feed, many human products such as cornflakes, corn chips etc etc & also used in industrial / food processing sectors such as corn starch, syrup etc. Within grain corn ( maize ) it is broken into two main groups depending on end use - waxy & gritting
Just to confuse things, many grain corn varieties are also used as silage / green chop
2 - forage varieties
3 - sweet corn varieties. These aren’t just grain corn before it dries out, but specifically bred & grown for sweet corn. If not picked & allowed to fully dry out & mature, the grains are really pinched & wrinkled
4 - pop corn varieties. Yet again, these are specifically bred & grown for the popping market & are no good for sweet corn or grain
Christoph1945
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This report that I stumbled on earlier in the week appears to not have many good words for the growing of maize in the Disunited Kingdom!
View attachment runaway-maize-june-2015.pdf
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Like many things - it is more the way it is grown than the actual crop itself . . .
if you look at corn ( maize ) growing in the US ( or Australia for that matter, but in the US it is a MAJOR crop ), it is vastly different to the UK experience.
Besides, it isn’t warm enough or a long enough season to really grow corn in the UK for anything apart from green chop or AD
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