Is profi worth buying?

Scribus · Feb 16, 2020

Clive said:
yet again you’re probably right - the internet never catch on will it

i do love irony

See, there you again, completely unable to understand or cope with any views or opinions which run contrary to your unquestioning devotion to the great god digital.

When you feel able to defend your beliefs in an intelligent manner rather than immedietly falling to childish symbolism then you might be taken a little more seriously.

Chae1 · Feb 16, 2020

Scribus said:
Actually I know for certain that you are wrong there.

Do you know if sales of top shelf magazines have suffered a decline in sales due to the internet?

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Scribus said:
See, there you again, completely unable to understand or cope with any views or opinions which run contrary to your unquestioning devotion to the great god digital.

When you feel able to defend your beliefs in an intelligent manner rather than immedietly falling to childish symbolism then you might be taken a little more seriously.

and there you go again - using the “great digital god” to try make your point

you really don’t get what irony is do you ?

maybe you would be better sending me a nice letter explaining things ?

Scribus · Feb 16, 2020

Chae1 said:
Do you know if sales of top shelf magazines have suffered a decline in sales due to the internet?

Not my area of expertise and in Ireland they were never available anyway.

Scribus · Feb 16, 2020

Clive said:
and there you go again - using the “great digital god” to try make your point

you really don’t get what irony is do you ?

maybe you would be better sending me a nice letter explaining things ?

Sorry Clive, but your level of ignorance is beyond worth bothering with.

Scribus · Feb 16, 2020

Well @Clive, I'm off to support a charity tractor run, if you've nothing else planned for the day perhaps you might find an improving book to read that deals with the real world rather than some senseless paean of praise to the digital world written by, and for, unquestioning geeks.

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Scribus said:
Well @Clive, I'm off to support a charity tractor run, if you've nothing else planned for the day perhaps you might find an improving book to read that deals with the real world rather than some senseless paean of praise to the digital world written by, and for, unquestioning geeks.

i love a audiobook - probably get through one a week, so much more efficient than reading and i can do it while driving etc............ more modern technology nonsense though that really has no place or need i guess !

have fun on the tractor run burning fuel for no reason while thinking how bad all those electric cars are for our environment - yet more irony ;-)

see you back online later

Lofty1984 · Feb 16, 2020

Just had quick flick through my copy this month less that favourable review on the case maxxum 150 so not not totally good reviews all the time

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Read this recently - @Scribus you would enjoy it i think

Chae1 · Feb 16, 2020

Durt Burd said:
Good evening all

Yes profi international is aware of this thread and both the negative and positive comments within. If you have thoughts on how the magazine can be improved please get in touch.

I will come back to this on Monday but just to clarify one point. We are in the fortunate position that we are well regarded by the manufacturers for our editorial independence which is the cornerstone of the magazine

As you may have guessed by username I never wanted to come on here and write about profi. This forum has some useful content and it is good to learn from, particularly the workshop and dairy sections but I usually stay over on Forum4Fa

If you wish to get in touch then please do, my email is [email protected]

Regards

Merv
Editor for profi international

If you want to improve it just go back to old format like it was when it was more popular!

Personally i liked long term tests, with views from farmers/contractors who were actually running the machines properly. Not just doing a few hundred hours a year like some on tff.

Also the timelines of updates and values for second hand machines was a good feature.

Just my opinion. I don't speak for everyone.

40 series · Feb 16, 2020

Chae1 said:
If you want to improve it just go back to old format like it was when it was more popular!

Personally i liked long term tests, with views from farmers/contractors who were actually running the machines properly. Not just doing a few hundred hours a year like some on tff.

Also the timelines of updates and values for second hand machines was a good feature.

Just my opinion. I don't speak for everyone.

Well I'd agree with that opinion

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Durt Burd said:
Good evening all

Yes profi international is aware of this thread and both the negative and positive comments within. If you have thoughts on how the magazine can be improved please get in touch.

I will come back to this on Monday but just to clarify one point. We are in the fortunate position that we are well regarded by the manufacturers for our editorial independence which is the cornerstone of the magazine

As you may have guessed by username I never wanted to come on here and write about profi. This forum has some useful content and it is good to learn from, particularly the workshop and dairy sections but I usually stay over on Forum4Fa

If you wish to get in touch then please do, my email is [email protected]

Regards

Merv
Editor for profi international

how does that independence work when the likes of myself and @bannabar pkus anyone else who bought a new claas automatically got a free subscription ?

let’s be honest for a moment and stop assuming farmers are stupid because they really are not !

No magazine can survive without it’s advertiser, articles are written with the pourpose of selling space around them or in some case are paid to be written. There is nothing at all wrong with that, it would be unreasonable to expect publishers to work for free and last time I saw a profi (some time ago now I admit It was certainly no where near as bad as most others, very much one of agricultures better publications for sure IMO

but let’s not treat farmers like fools and pretend that it’s not the manufacturers that REALLY pay the wages

The problem all print publishers face today is that pretty much everything they print is available faster, more conveniently, independently and interactively on the internet .............. and most usually free, how can anyone compete with free ? I don't wish to see the death of print media but I can see as an industry it has to make some massive and fundamental changes if It is to have a future

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Chae1 said:
Do you know if sales of top shelf magazines have suffered a decline in sales due to the internet?

@Chris F posted the numbers in a earlier post

Chris F said:
Official stats are published every year as ABCs (I've attached a few of them if you are interested). Shows that readership has fallen from 60k in 2011 to I'd guess at 37K in 2019 (figures aren't out for last year) yet.

To put that in context, that £4m in lost subscriptions over 8 years. Shows why they have had to change their business. Still a massive farming magazine though!

all you need to know about the true state of AG print media in those attachment, I suspect this is why Farmers weekly s owners became a data seller rather than a publisher, they could see the writing on the wall. Interestingly they recently sold it off all together and now only do the selling farmers data thing

Durt Burd · Feb 16, 2020

Clive said:
how does that independence work when the likes of myself and @bannabar pkus anyone else who bought a new claas automatically got a free subscription ?

let’s be honest for a moment and stop assuming farmers are stupid because they really are not !

No magazine can survive without it’s advertiser, articles are written with the pourpose of selling space around them or in some case are paid to be written. There is nothing at all wrong with that, it would be unreasonable to expect publishers to work for free and last time I saw a profi (some time ago now I admit It was certainly no where near as bad as most others, very much one of agricultures better publications for sure IMO

but let’s not treat farmers like fools and pretend that it’s not the manufacturers that REALLY pay the wages

The problem all print publishers face today is that pretty much everything they print is available faster, more conveniently, independently and interactively on the internet .............. and most usually free, how can anyone compete with free ? I don't wish to see the death of print media but I can see as an industry it has to make some massive and fundamental changes if It is to have a future

Clive I am not sure I am entitled to respond under my username as Chris has pointed out profi needs a commercial membership for us to do so. But I will answer your queries.

I do know Claas has sent out copies of profi but I honestly do not know their reason for doing so as I am not involved in that part of the business. My job is to look after editorial and I know it is hard to believe but yes we are independent. There would be no point in us suggesting a machine is magnificent if we knew it was actually not, people would soon see through that facade, but there are magazines out there that will happily sell their souls. We like to measure things and rulers and gauges tend to be correct.

Yes the world of print media is changing and there will come a time that we will have to change the format of the information we provide. I cannot see it being free as the testing we do costs money to carry out.

It you wish to know more it is probably best you send me a PM otherwise I am flaunting your request for me to take out a commercial account.

Regards

Merv Bailey

Chris F if you feel strongly enough this post is in breach of your commercial policy then please delete it

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

Durt Burd said:
Clive I am not sure I am entitled to respond under my username as Chris has pointed out profi needs a commercial membership for us to do so. But I will answer your queries.

I do know Claas has sent out copies of profi but I honestly do not know their reason for doing so as I am not involved in that part of the business. My job is to look after editorial and I know it is hard to believe but yes we are independent. There would be no point in us suggesting a machine is magnificent if we knew it was actually not, people would soon see through that facade, but there are magazines out there that will happily sell their souls. We like to measure things and rulers and gauges tend to be correct.

Yes the world of print media is changing and there will come a time that we will have to change the format of the information we provide. I cannot see it being free as the testing we do costs money to carry out.

It you wish to know more it is probably best you send me a PM otherwise I am flaunting your request for me to take out a commercial account.

Regards

Merv Bailey

Chris F if you feel strongly enough this post is in breach of your commercial policy then please delete it

Merv

don’t worry about our commercial policy, it exist here primarily to stop our users being spammed and you are not doing that

in this case a thread about your publication has been started by others and it would be very unfair if you were unable to reply and put over your point of view

Cowabunga · Feb 16, 2020

Scribus said:
See, there you again, completely unable to understand or cope with any views or opinions which run contrary to your unquestioning devotion to the great god digital.

When you feel able to defend your beliefs in an intelligent manner rather than immedietly falling to childish symbolism then you might be taken a little more seriously.

You seem to have copied and pasted this from a post replying to me about 5G. Have you ordered your family sized Faraday cage and tinfoil hats yet?

DanniAgro · Feb 16, 2020

Clive said:
The problem all print publishers face today is that pretty much everything they print is available faster, more conveniently, independently and interactively on the internet .............. and most usually free, how can anyone compete with free ? I don't wish to see the death of print media but I can see as an industry it has to make some massive and fundamental changes if It is to have a future

Ho hum, there is generally somewhere on the internet where you can find freely available opinion, such as the posters on this website, but as to it's value ... That's totally different to the views of someone who has trained in the subject, is backed by a supply of resources and is very familiar with the other machinery on the market and who then writes a considered article. This is how I think of the contributors to, say, Profi, and whilst I have criticised the magazine in the past, at least it tries to be objective most of the time.
If people look on the internet and decide that the opinions they see there may not be wrong, biased, bought, trolling or narrowly partisan, then they deserve all they get.

Clive · Feb 16, 2020

DanniAgro said:
Ho hum, there is generally somewhere on the internet where you can find freely available opinion, such as the posters on this website, but as to it's value ... That's totally different to the views of someone who has trained in the subject, is backed by a supply of resources and is very familiar with the other machinery on the market and who then writes a considered article. This is how I think of the contributors to, say, Profi, and whilst I have criticised the magazine in the past, at least it tries to be objective most of the time.
If people look on the internet and decide that the opinions they see there may not be wrong, biased, bought, trolling or narrowly partisan, then they deserve all they get.

I have to disagree completely - there is no better knowalage than farmer to farmer, it’s truly independent and often far better informed than the so called experts

farmers are professionals, they know their subject and industry better than anyone

most journalist I have come acriss haven’t a clue ( there are some exceptions) ) And they nearly always have to be very commercial re what they write, can’t blame them for that, they have a living to make

Scribus · Feb 16, 2020

Cowabunga said:
You seem to have copied and pasted this from a post replying to me about 5G. Have you ordered your family sized Faraday cage and tinfoil hats yet?

Oh look, the shill is back blubbering again.

Chae1 · Feb 16, 2020

Chris F said:
They are reading this. For sure. @Mark Brazier - profi

Good of them to reply.

Are you now off chasing them for commercial subscription rates!?

Good way to put off manufacturers/businesses from coming on here and commenting

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