2024 onwards plans- expansion, retraction or consolidation.

[Dolomite]

Like all, the current climate around the industry and uncertainty around most things is dictating our decisions and influencing the potential choices we have to make or things we can't do. We like to stay in the footing if able to pounce at opportunities without been tied down or signed up for long periods.

Our thoughts are to consolidate and try to maintain our position that we can still offer viable rents for more land and expand gradually. Currently no intentions or plans to sign into SFI (for our own personal reasons), red tractor or any other scheme limiting our control and allowing in outside interference.

Are we a minority, majority or in the middle? From speaking to folk at Lamma, Ripon farm services open day and other places. It seems many haven't plans yet or are still evaluating the situation waiting to respond. To which can and will indecision be the wrong decision or allow greater flexibility?

 

[DrWazzock]

Like all, the current climate around the industry and uncertainty around most things is dictating our decisions and influencing the potential choices we have to make or things we can't do. We like to stay in the footing if able to pounce at opportunities without been tied down or signed up for long periods.

Our thoughts are to consolidate and try to maintain our position that we can still offer viable rents for more land and expand gradually. Currently no intentions or plans to sign into SFI (for our own personal reasons), red tractor or any other scheme limiting our control and allowing in outside interference.

Are we a minority, majority or in the middle? From speaking to folk at Lamma, Ripon farm services open day and other places. It seems many haven't plans yet or are still evaluating the situation waiting to respond. To which can and will indecision be the wrong decision or allow greater flexibility?

Very similar to our thoughts today. We will drop OSR and simply rationalise on wheat, barley, sheep and grass. I don’t really need to go down the SFI route yet though we are stuck with RT for the cereals. With leys down for at least two years it’s a good enough take all break and fertility builder for us. Keep it simple.

 

[warksfarmer]

Like all, the current climate around the industry and uncertainty around most things is dictating our decisions and influencing the potential choices we have to make or things we can't do. We like to stay in the footing if able to pounce at opportunities without been tied down or signed up for long periods.

Our thoughts are to consolidate and try to maintain our position that we can still offer viable rents for more land and expand gradually. Currently no intentions or plans to sign into SFI (for our own personal reasons), red tractor or any other scheme limiting our control and allowing in outside interference.

Are we a minority, majority or in the middle? From speaking to folk at Lamma, Ripon farm services open day and other places. It seems many haven't plans yet or are still evaluating the situation waiting to respond. To which can and will indecision be the wrong decision or allow greater flexibility?

SFI AHL2 option pays £853/ha so theres your base rent figure. Looks like that can actually be increased by ticking other options on top so might be best case scenario as well.

 

[Simon Chiles]

SFI AHL2 option pays £853/ha so theres your base rent figure. Looks like that can actually be increased by ticking other options on top so might be best case scenario as well.

Not necessarily. We’ve got land we manage next to a housing estate. Who’s going to police the area if it’s just entered into a scheme. If we didn’t farm it and keep replacing the logs across the gateways it would soon be a local fly tippers bonanza. When the local kids decide to go out there with their motor bikes and my son catches them you can see by the whites of their eyes that they’re never going to do that again. Who’s going to clear the trees off the highway when they fall and cut all the roadside hedges. These things would be expensive for the landowner to implement.

 

[warksfarmer]

Not necessarily. We’ve got land we manage next to a housing estate. Who’s going to police the area if it’s just entered into a scheme. If we didn’t farm it and keep replacing the logs across the gateways it would soon be a local fly tippers bonanza. When the local kids decide to go out there with their motor bikes and my son catches them you can see by the whites of their eyes that they’re never going to do that again. Who’s going to clear the trees off the highway when they fall and cut all the roadside hedges. These things would be expensive for the landowner to implement.

Sorting trees out is easy enough for a landowner so thats not an issue as the wood is so valuable today.

Security though yes a good point but it depends on the land owner I guess. There will be an element of the older generation wanting to see the land farmed and cropped but I think you'll find a big chunk of 50 yrs old and younger arent bothered about that and will take the money whilst its on offer. If you think about it 100ac block can earn at least £35k per year for 3 years for doing very little. Why wouldn't they do it as some glyphosate, a mower and a plough would get it back in 3 years time if needed.

 

[hoff135]

Not up to speed about what's happening north of the border, but can guarantee if support is drastically reduced, the future won't involve packing the place with more stock. Would sooner run less and cut inputs and do another job on the side.

Big unknown seem to be around renting land, if only the landlord can apply for funding for nonsense schemes then I don't see how people will be able to pay rents like they are now.

One minute we are told we could be heading for a world war, next we are being encouraged to reduce uk food production. You really have to question the quality of braincells within some people in Governments heads

 

[nelly55]

Retirement is looking over the gate,injury and age and no help.Keeping the big lawns trimmed looks good maybe

 

[willyorkshire]

SFI AHL2 option pays £853/ha so theres your base rent figure. Looks like that can actually be increased by ticking other options on top so might be best case scenario as well.

IMO, I can't enter SFI in any significant way until I know what ALL the options are. Unavailable until 'the summer'. I'm getting about 25% BPS back by being in SFI pilot but there's not enough in main SFI yet, in terms of options or money, to make me ditch pilot and go headlong into SFI. Very productive land makes SFI less attractive.

 

[delilah]

Make plans and God laughs.