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BPS reduction chart

Location
N Yorks
Most of us farm in a way to keep receiving BPS and are cautious not to end up with penalties.

What happens when BPS is either gone or simply doesn't add up to much? Will we start to see a few hedgerows disappear in order to run more efficiently?

Will we stop worrying about livestock numbers, cross compliance, records, etc?

Lets face it the current way to get us to conform is with a threat to take away our money. Once that threat is gone will they ever get round to actually policing anything?

Is it actually illegal to farm up to the ditch or hedge? Or rip it out? Or not have complete records and tags in ears? Etc etc.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Most of us farm in a way to keep receiving BPS and are cautious not to end up with penalties.

What happens when BPS is either gone or simply doesn't add up to much? Will we start to see a few hedgerows disappear in order to run more efficiently?

Will we stop worrying about livestock numbers, cross compliance, records, etc?

Lets face it the current way to get us to conform is with a threat to take away our money. Once that threat is gone will they ever get round to actually policing anything?

Is it actually illegal to farm up to the ditch or hedge? Or rip it out? Or not have complete records and tags in ears? Etc etc.


It's also a lot more difficult and costly to go through the hoops required to take a farmer to court over each issue and would take an enormous amount more time.

Taking your list - it is illegal to remove a hedge....but it's a lot more work and hassle going to court than just implementing a 5% penalty.
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
The Agriculture Act and Environment Bill will give them more power to prosecute. Just think of all those people administering BPS needing re-employment suddenly available to prosecute farmers.
I won’t be getting too excited about a free for all to do as we please for some time yet.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
It's also a lot more difficult and costly to go through the hoops required to take a farmer to court over each issue and would take an enormous amount more time.

Taking your list - it is illegal to remove a hedge....but it's a lot more work and hassle going to court than just implementing a 5% penalty.
When employed solely for the purpose of putting forward such prosecutions it is not work and hassle, its just ones job....
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
just been looking through my claim (non sda) and i see we have lost 9ha over the years due to being woods/ scrub / hedges, rivers etc wonder if we will get some of that back if they are looking to pay for nature etc,? all our claims at the moment are on actual cropable land .
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
just been looking through my claim (non sda) and i see we have lost 9ha over the years due to being woods/ scrub / hedges, rivers etc wonder if we will get some of that back if they are looking to pay for nature etc,? all our claims at the moment are on actual cropable land .
doubt it
 

Phil H

Member
Livestock Farmer
When employed solely for the purpose of putting forward such prosecutions it is not work and hassle, its just ones job....
Until you ask your public sector bosses to fund your barristers on £500/hr because you didn't negotiate a settlement.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
When employed solely for the purpose of putting forward such prosecutions it is not work and hassle, its just ones job....

Unfortunatey there are quite a few people employed on this basis within many of the unaccountable organisations discussed in the thread I started.

Often they do not even need to provide any evidence to support their position either.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Until you ask your public sector bosses to fund your barristers on £500/hr because you didn't negotiate a settlement.
That public sector boss knowns such barrister cost lands with the farmer when he looses in court... he can only afford the employ the junior barristers on £300/hr and the case against the farmer is not gong to be taken to court unless they are confident in the outcome... they only need to make a few financially crippling examples from those resisting to agree to pay up fines before the rest quickly shuffle into line.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
did anyone look at the AHDB Direct Payments Calculator say 12months ago & print out the results of what there BPS will look like in future years ??
when putting the same info in today & website has changed somewhat but you get there in the end, the deductions are much bigger now even for this year??
whats changed ??? anyone got any ideas ???
 

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Webinar: Expanded Sustainable Farming Incentive offer 2024 -26th Sept

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On Thursday 26th September, we’re holding a webinar for farmers to go through the guidance, actions and detail for the expanded Sustainable Farming Incentive (SFI) offer. This was planned for end of May, but had to be delayed due to the general election. We apologise about that.

Farming and Countryside Programme Director, Janet Hughes will be joined by policy leads working on SFI, and colleagues from the Rural Payment Agency and Catchment Sensitive Farming.

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