He don't care, he is largely trolling. Its working as well.
Perhaps he will have the nerve to admit it
Breakup of United Kingdom.
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Perhaps he will have the nerve to admit it
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If Nicola Sturgeons great great great great ....... grandfather had fought a bit harder at Culloden then none of this would be an issue likewise if the Irish had realised how bad it would be if they’d lost at Wexford they might have tried a bit harder. There was a chap on Radio 4 this week reading from his book telling everyone how hard it is being black in Britain I’m sure it’s much harder being black than white but then he started on about slavery and how bad the British were but then I remembered slavery was abolished in the 1800’s and usually in Africa you bought black people off other black people and I got to thinking how stupid it is to carry grudges through the ages. Bit like Brexit it’s all about living in the past decisions have to made on the benefits going forward not due to perceived injustices of the past. Let’s face it the only people taking control with Brexit are Boris and his cronies and it will be the same if Scotland became independent just another bunch of unemployables bossing the people around as we’ve seen during Covid.
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jamesmartin
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i think i prefer an elected uk govt who we can change if we feel the need to and who have to act knowing that ,than untouchable eu bureaucrats that are driven by ideology rather than electorates interest
jamesmartin
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half the scots have been wanting out prior,hence the referendum
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Well I’m half English, half Scottish and going back part Irish. I can’t see why we need a break up myself but if it happens it does. What matters more is the quality of leadership we end up with wherever we are.
Personally I think there is logistical benefit to not having political borders anywhere in the U.K..
Also it isn’t helpful for us “foreigners” here down South when folk keep rocking the boat north of the border though I’d say folk down here have never taken it against us. Generally I’d say the English are the most tolerant inclusive least prejudiced people you will find anywhere in the world, offering equal opportunity for anybody who wants it. On the other hand I find the whole nationalist ethos to be bordering on racism if I’m honest, yet they try to claim some sort of moral high ground where there isn’t any.
In my view there should be no division along tribal lines but government should be divided on logistical and geographical reality. Would not bother me if Ireland was eventually reunited and ran as an entity within the EU or without. But it’s a matter for those who live there to decide. Main thing is people need to be able to get on with their lives without prejudice.
So people will say why did you support Brexit? Well we are a separate geographic entity from the EU and really we couldn’t benefit from such a large lumbering one size fits all system as we can with a degree of independence and local accountability.
I don’t think we’ll break up actually. Northern Ireland might more closely integrate with Eire but I doubt Scotland and Wales will be breaking away when push comes to shove. I just can’t see a good reason for it.
Personally I think there is logistical benefit to not having political borders anywhere in the U.K..
Also it isn’t helpful for us “foreigners” here down South when folk keep rocking the boat north of the border though I’d say folk down here have never taken it against us. Generally I’d say the English are the most tolerant inclusive least prejudiced people you will find anywhere in the world, offering equal opportunity for anybody who wants it. On the other hand I find the whole nationalist ethos to be bordering on racism if I’m honest, yet they try to claim some sort of moral high ground where there isn’t any.
In my view there should be no division along tribal lines but government should be divided on logistical and geographical reality. Would not bother me if Ireland was eventually reunited and ran as an entity within the EU or without. But it’s a matter for those who live there to decide. Main thing is people need to be able to get on with their lives without prejudice.
So people will say why did you support Brexit? Well we are a separate geographic entity from the EU and really we couldn’t benefit from such a large lumbering one size fits all system as we can with a degree of independence and local accountability.
I don’t think we’ll break up actually. Northern Ireland might more closely integrate with Eire but I doubt Scotland and Wales will be breaking away when push comes to shove. I just can’t see a good reason for it.
If it happens it happens, I am sure you will be deighted
So you are happy that parts of the uk want to go their own way, you never mention the pits falls of having a smaller economy etc etc etc yet you are still completely against brexit and its consequences which you can see without problem. At least try and be consistent, by not being so you come across as a racist against the English,
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I actually agree on the whole, if anything I think the UK has often been over accommodating to many ethnic groups. And panders to their many and often diverse requests for diversification from the accepted British norms in order to maintain their ethnic roots. Rather than saying, you are very welcome to come here, but this is how we do it in the UK and this what we broadly expect you to follow.
What does happy have to do with pointing out facts? Is there a corollary somewhere? No of course not?
Merely pointing out the obvious. Hey ho….
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I thought this picture had been debunked as a faked , there is no record of who took it , where it was taken and when it was taken ...it only appeared ( just by chance 
) " when it appeared in the 1980's at an exhibition called " the Irish experience " at the Irish centre in Islington North London .
) " when it appeared in the 1980's at an exhibition called " the Irish experience " at the Irish centre in Islington North London .View attachment 965639
I actually agree on the whole, if anything I think the UK has often been over accommodating to many ethnic groups. And panders to their many and often diverse requests for diversification from the accepted British norms in order to maintain their ethnic roots. Rather than saying, you are very welcome to come here, but this is how we do it in the UK and this what we broadly expect you to follow.
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I don't know about that particular sign but the sentiment was not uncommon in English cities in the 50's and 60's.I thought this picture had been debunked as a faked , there is no record of who took it , where it was taken and when it was taken ...it only appeared ( just by chance
'In some districts a fairly active discrimination over housing is enforced against the Irish. In Birmingham, Manchester and parts of London it is not uncommon to find notices offering accommodation that specify ‘no coloured; no Irish’. There is a strongly held impression that these groups, once they move into a street or district, will ‘lower the tone of the neighbourhood’ and, what is much more important, will ‘bring down property values.'
“No blacks, no Irish’ or ‘No Irish need apply’ signs were apparently not uncommon sights in the 1950s. In fact, they occupy a central place in the collective memory of the Irish in Britain, (The Irish in Postwar Britain)
Did you notice anything about the content of the article? That’s the question. Challenge it by all means. Preferably with a fact based counter argument. I thought he made a very valid, well constructed argument, underpinned with solid facts. Of course there is a counter argument to be made. But scroll back through the thread, there’s only one or two attempts. The usual suspects of course lash out with vague attempts at insults, and not two words of counter argument. No surprise there of course. Bless ‘em, but it doesn‘t take much to bring out the baseness and lack of capacity to counter argue….
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I think that’s the point the Scottish Nationalists are making. They are pushing the point wrongly in my opinion but similarly to Brexit that they are being ignored by a far off Government.
Is the European Union governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’?
Written by Eponine Howarth (LLB) The opinion that the European Union is governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’ is commonly held by europhobes and an argument wielded by the Leave campaign in the refer…
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Being married to an Indian it’s interesting to see that in my opinion they are the colored race that has embraced the idea of keeping your head down and fitting in more than any others and have done far better for it. Obviously the British were horrid to them in the past but that was the past and as L. P Hartley says the’ past is a foreign country’. We’ve been to India several times and every time my wife says thank god for the Empire otherwise she’d have been stuck in what for ordinary people is hell.View attachment 965639
I actually agree on the whole, if anything I think the UK has often been over accommodating to many ethnic groups. And panders to their many and often diverse requests for diversification from the accepted British norms in order to maintain their ethnic roots. Rather than saying, you are very welcome to come here, but this is how we do it in the UK and this what we broadly expect you to follow.
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The problem for many Brexiteers is not just that they are under the illogical illusion that the EU is staffed by unelected bureaucrats, but so many of them are foreigners who don't understand England's needs.I think that’s the point the Scottish Nationalists are making. They are pushing the point wrongly in my opinion but similarly to Brexit that they are being ignored by a far off Government.
A bit from the LSE about the fallacy of unelected bureaucratsIs the European Union governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’?
Written by Eponine Howarth (LLB) The opinion that the European Union is governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’ is commonly held by europhobes and an argument wielded by the Leave campaign in the refer…
jamesmartin
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and what eu manifesto choice have you ever been able to vote for ,its a one direction single aim organisation,which constantly seeks greater powers over the states,unlike the ukI think that’s the point the Scottish Nationalists are making. They are pushing the point wrongly in my opinion but similarly to Brexit that they are being ignored by a far off Government.
A bit from the LSE about the fallacy of unelected bureaucratsIs the European Union governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’?
Written by Eponine Howarth (LLB) The opinion that the European Union is governed by ‘unelected bureaucrats’ is commonly held by europhobes and an argument wielded by the Leave campaign in the refer…
it is indeed the snp point ,which is fair enough whether its actually feasible now after brexit is another question
jamesmartin
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thats rather the point of the eu,The problem for many Brexiteers is not just that they are under the illogical illusion that the EU is staffed by unelected bureaucrats, but so many of them are foreigners who don't understand England's needs.
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The UK never took the idea of the EU seriously hence the jokers who were elected from the UK to the European Parliament. In reality the EU was far too big with far too much diversity but the UK never really played its part. There was no EU to vote for or against just different parties many of whom actually were quite anti the idea of the EU however they all liked to put their snouts in the trough.