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[Northeastfarmer]

Would you have taken that chance? Not sure I would have. @Purli R has done the right thing, as painful financially as it maybe.

I would of put some cows in the shed with him for a month and see if he did calm down...I certainly wouldn’t of turned him out with the attitude he has.

 

[Hilly]

Give the vendor and the bull a bloody chance give him some company ffs weather that be cows or bullocks or what ever use your fekin imagination ffs leave penned up solo new place what you expect ?

 

[Top Tip.]

I have had the exact same experience with a bull bought in Stirling he was wicked ,I phoned the breeder and he assured me that he was fine at home and he asked me to turn him out with the cows which I did . That bull never put a foot wrong again ,that was my experience which thankfully turned out fine.

 

[Hilly]

I had a bull the same deliverd and in pen on his own was truly scary put him in with two cull cows and nicest bull you would ever meet. USE YOUR NODDLE MAN ITS STOCKMAN SHIP NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

 

[John Chance]

Lot of folks missing the point. If it's in him, it's in him. You did the right thing. Vendor and auctioneer did/doing the wrong thing.

 

[Sid]

Never had an issue with any bulls I have bought but have with some I/C dairy heifers

1st lot were sold as Johnes free. Well they weren't after various tests. I wanted no money from the breeder, but he stated they picked it up from my farm aged 24 months! Head buried in sand!
He has some for sale this week, buyer beware!

A heifer we bought from someone else went down as soon as it reached our farm. Vet didn't know what it was , possibly something it had eaten or damaged herself in transit, vendor couldn't be more helpful, had to have heifer shot and vendor was gutted and wanted to refund us the purchased price.
We claimed on insurance ,livestock in transit.

I would say the first guy knew he had an issue, 2nd guy didn't.
Would say @Purli R vendor would have known and hoped it would all be fine. Lucky @Purli R Had his wits about him and didn't let anyone in with him!

 

[Optimus]

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This was supposed to be our new stock bull, for our pedigree herd, purchased via H&H online sale for 5200 gns.
Actually quite a decent bull, apart from the void between his ears, even after being here for 3 weeks, he was still nowhere near being safe to go in the pen with, certainly not on your own, and not entirely safe to stand in the next pen to him in case a Sparrow farted, which is all it took to set him off.
I certainly don't want a nasty accident with either him, or his calves, or know anything I sold off him caused any harm where they went to.
So, this morning saw him wend his merry way up the truck tailboard to go and meet Ronald McDonald, so tonight I think I'll sleep soundly.
Problem is......vendor has completely washed his hands of the bull, has refused to take him back (which he would if he knew he was OK, but speaking to him on the phone, I'm of the opinion he knew the bull had issues.) so I'm looking like getting stiffed for just over 4 grand after meat value.
What kind of a sad barsteward would sell a bull like this????

This is strange, a guy not too far from us bought a blue bull from Skipton.all done over the phone an pictures I guess due to lock down.anyway, they met half way an exchanged.the bull was tied in the trailer so once in his trailer also tied him up didn't think much of it.once he got home , dropped the tail gate went in to un-tie him.next thing the bull flips an pinned him in the corner.gave the lad a proper going over was only saved by a bar at the front.
Seemingly he's having the same issues as you, won't give him money back.reading your issue I wondered if it was the same breeder?

 

[Henarar]

View attachment 891109
This was supposed to be our new stock bull, for our pedigree herd, purchased via H&H online sale for 5200 gns.
Actually quite a decent bull, apart from the void between his ears, even after being here for 3 weeks, he was still nowhere near being safe to go in the pen with, certainly not on your own, and not entirely safe to stand in the next pen to him in case a Sparrow farted, which is all it took to set him off.
I certainly don't want a nasty accident with either him, or his calves, or know anything I sold off him caused any harm where they went to.
So, this morning saw him wend his merry way up the truck tailboard to go and meet Ronald McDonald, so tonight I think I'll sleep soundly.
Problem is......vendor has completely washed his hands of the bull, has refused to take him back (which he would if he knew he was OK, but speaking to him on the phone, I'm of the opinion he knew the bull had issues.) so I'm looking like getting stiffed for just over 4 grand after meat value.
What kind of a sad barsteward would sell a bull like this????

Bit of a bugger that
As said he is being led on the previous farm though so either moving him totally flipped him out permanently, perhaps he has never been transported before, or there is another reason why he could be led on the previous farm and is a nutter now, no need to draw pictures for you I am sure

 

[Treemover]

I agree with both sides here, the buyer and the seller. That's why I think the powers that be in the pedigree world should have a system in place to deal with matters like this, that is both fair and reasonable to BOTH parties.

 

[Top Tip.]

Was he insured? If you had a friendly insurance agent he could be classed as unfit for work, just a thought .

 

[Whitepeak]

@Purli R was it the society sale or the summer breeding sale? Have you spoken to the breed society regards this?
The H&H online sales have all been held in accordance with NBA rules, not sure what the NBA warranties regarding temperament are though. Or what the time scales are, I think you had 24hrs (?) to contact the auctioneers if you felt the bull wasn't the same as described on the website listing.
Obviously travelling, new home etc can upset him, but if he hasn't settled down after 3 weeks I'm not sure he ever will do!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I think this thread reiterates why I will never buy anything especially a bull or a tup via online or video sales...there’s nothing like seeing and handling them in the flesh

 

[Hampton]

Personally I think you have done the right thing, he may have calmed down but you’d never fully trust him again, any other situation may have sent him nuts. Yea it’s a £4k loss but better than a broken arm or worse, and the worry of that happening for the next 5 years. We had to do a very similar thing with a Lim bull out of Anglesey a few years back, vendor didn’t care.

I bought a bull off a farm a few years ago (same breeder I mentioned on earlier post) and the bulls were all lined up next to each other. I whittled the bulls down to my three favourites, and then we realised on bull wasn’t even tied up (he had a halter on) and was just stood next to the other two. So I bought him. He was a lovely bull and so good natured.

 

[harperfarmer]

The first bull I bought was a Charolais, selected on his figures and bought privately for £4600. I was fairly naive at the time and although I thought he was giving me a few sideways glances I went ahead and brought him home and pitched him in with the cows. That bull was a barsteward until the day he left the farm. I should have killed him sooner but couldn't quite bring myself to have wasted that much money, even though yes, it's nothing compared to a life. I wouldnt allow anyone to go in a yard with him bar myself as he'd come looking for you and could only be handled with another cow or two with him. He'd jump 5ft cattle hurdles very nimbly for a 1400kg bull. So I think if you have an inkling the bull isn't right, then throwing him in with some cows won't change that. I've had a lim bull who was a bit flighty and he settled with cows so know the difference between flighty/unsettled and nasty. You did the right thing.

 

[Treemover]

Im not up on what the terms and conditions are on the sale of bulls, but surely temperament is one thing that is discussed. Surely if a bull cannot be handled safely, maybe a scoring should be given, so a docile Aberdeen or Whitehead maybe a 1, a flightly bull a 5, but anything not really manageable, 6-10; 10 requiring a bullet.? Having a gentlemans agreement that a bull is grand, is too open to abuse. And I agree, a bull can change too; but surely if a bull moves up the scale I have given, then the deal needs to be reviewed?? Also what period of time is acceptable. I have seen bulls on our farm, that were grand when they were young, just turn pure mental once they matured. So surely there has to be a period of time where the bull is allowed to settle in?????

 

[bobk]

Personally I think you have done the right thing, he may have calmed down but you’d never fully trust him again, any other situation may have sent him nuts. Yea it’s a £4k loss but better than a broken arm or worse, and the worry of that happening for the next 5 years. We had to do a very similar thing with a Lim bull out of Anglesey a few years back, vendor didn’t care.

You never turn your back on a bull . however docile .

 

[AGN76]

I didn't know Blue bulls got nasty, I thought it would be too much effort.

 

[Purli R]

Give the vendor and the bull a bloody chance give him some company ffs weather that be cows or bullocks or what ever use your fekin imagination ffs leave penned up solo new place what you expect ?

Whoa there big boy,where did you get the notion he is/was penned on his own were you using your imagination?Put your glasses on & Read the feckin thread ffs.

 

[Fast Farmer]

Our new bull we bought 2 weeks ago, touch wood very quiet out in the field now with 6 cows, even quieter can stroke his head and back and just walks away causally, we had a Belgian blue heifer f**king mad thing, always at the back of the herd, ended up jumping a gate for no reason and breaking her leg, never buy another again, there on my DO NOT BUY LIST along with Limousins haha

 

[Optimus]

Had a blue bull from Belgium in the early nineties. His name was evil an he certainly lived up to it!