Fight fire with fire ?

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
It's about time someone pointed out that 'Quorn' is a synthetic product manufactured from a nutrient rich cocktail in stainless towers from the fungus 'Fusarium Venenatum', which is mixed with Palm Oil, non vegan egg white and Calcium Chloride and Calcium Acetate included as 'firming agents'.
Add to that the process was pioneered by chemical giant ICI to manufacture high protein livestock feed, but now Quorn have cut out the animals and sell 'animal feed' at a huge price premium to gullible humans. Yum...
 
I notice they left out the 'normal ingredients' in a typical supermarket sausage though.

Pork 56%, Water, Rice Flour, Pork Rind, Pork Fat, Salt, Stabiliser (Disodium Diphosphate), Dextrose, Bamboo Fibre, White Pepper, Ginger, Nutmeg, Mace, Yeast Extract, Preservative (Sodium Metabisulphite), Caramelised Sugar Syrup, Flavouring, Antioxidant (Ascorbic Acid), Paprika Extract.

If you want to 'fight fire with fire' being economical with the truth does not help IMHO.
 

Beowulf

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Scotland
Whilst I support the principles involved, I fear the message is based on an awful lot of misinformation. You will struggle to buy a pork sausage that contains only the ingredients listed.

Taking the beef sausages (produced by a popular Scottish butchery) my wife bought the other day out of the freezer, I note the following ingredients ...

Beef,
Water,
Wheat Flour,
Calcium Carbonate,
Niacin,
Thiamine,
Ammonium Bicarbonate,
Pepper Extracts,
Soya,
Beef Flavour,
Spice Extracts,
Phosphate Stabiliser,
Sodium Metabisulphite,
Flavour Enhancer,
Dextrose,
Antioxidants,
Nicotinamide,
Colourings.
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
This is something I posted on another thread about manufacturers appropriating the term 'milk' to sell fake industrial 'knock offs' to gullible consumers following foodie fads. Why are the Advertising Standards Authority, Food Standards Commission and NFU not shouting about this from the rooftops FFS?:


From the Alpro Oat 'milk' website:
INGREDIENTS
Water, OAT (10%), Chicory root fibre, Sunflower oil, Calcium (Tri-calcium phosphate), Sea salt, Stabiliser (Gellan gum), Vitamins (Riboflavin (B2), B12, D2)

So it's somehow allowed to be called Milk, when in reality it's an emulsion of water, oat flour, fibre, vegetable oil and salt. The next 2 are interesting as Gellan gum should be labelled as E418, and tri-calcium phosphate which should really be labelled as E341 but that doesn't sound very 'vegany' does it, so perhaps Alpro forgot :poop: (n)
Mmm!, all the fake dairy goodness of a product every bit as synthetic and 'corporate' as Coca Cola.

But what do I care, it's all great for the oat market :D
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Have a real problem with this as anyone with a Gluten allergy will tell you it is very difficult finding traditional sausages that do not contain Gluten yet no mention in your real sausage.
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
Taking the beef sausages (produced by a popular Scottish butchery) my wife bought the other day out of the freezer, I note the following ingredients ...
@Beowulf @Farfrae - take it up with the 'Super'markets and their demands on suppliers. It's their USP, taking great ingredients and cheapening them with fillers and additives to prolong shelf life and increase profit margin.

I hate to say it, that you choose to eat it yourself speaks volumes.
 

Beowulf

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Location
Scotland
@Beowulf @Farfrae - take it up with the 'Super'markets and their demands on suppliers. It's their USP, taking great ingredients and cheapening them with fillers and additives to prolong shelf life and increase profit margin.

I hate to say it, that you choose to eat it yourself speaks volumes.
I'm not going to take it up with anyone, it's not a fight I see any strategic advantage in winning.

What "volumes" does my decision to eat sausages occasionally, that were bought from a butcher not a supermarket incidentally, speak about me? Or is it just a cheap shot in the form of a personal insult to make you feel better?
 

farenheit

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Location
Midlands
@JP1 posted this picture on Facebook and I’ve reposted it on Twitter

About time ag took off the gloves fought back imo so please share this image far and wide on your social networks

Hmm, follow the money on this one...the website is run by the Center for Consumer Freedom, a lobbying organisation run by American meat, tobacco and alcohol producers.

From Wikipedia:
By December, 1996, supporters consisted of Alliance Gaming (slot machines), Anheuser-Busch (beer), Bruss Company (steaks and chops), Cargill Processed Meat Products, Davidoff (cigars), Harrah's (casinos), Overhill Farms (frozen foods), Philip Morris, and Standard Meat Company (steaks). The group's advisory panel comprised representatives from most of these companies, plus further representatives from the restaurant industry, including former Senator George McGovern, and Carl Vogt of law firm Fulbright & Jaworski.[26]
Acknowledged corporate donors to the CCF include Coca-Cola,[27] Wendy's,[27] Outback Steakhouse,[27] Cargill,[28] Tyson Foods,[27][28] and Pilgrim's Pride.[28][2] As of 2005, the CCF reported more than 1,000 individual donors[6][2] as well as approximately 100 corporate supporters.[27]
And some lovely "pro science" viewpoints that they propagate:

More CCF-created websites include HumaneWatch.org, PhysicianScam.com, Trans-FatFacts.com, Animalscam.com, Obesitymyths.com, and CSPIScam.com. MercuryFacts.com and FishScam.com contain a mercury calculator that offers an alternative calculation of amount of a fish that can be eaten before getting an unsafe dose of mercury, calculated as ten times the reference dose recommended by the EPA. CCF has also claimed (counter to research findings) that dieting and meal tracking do not lead to weight loss.[24]
I don't think this is representing the views of small time livestock farmers so much...

Are these really the people we want to get into bed with Clive? And we say the NFU doesn't represent our best interests...

Edit: an NYTimes article about them: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/opinion/the-story-behind-a-new-york-billboard-and-the-interests-it-serves.html
 
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PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
What "volumes" does my decision to eat sausages occasionally, that were bought from a butcher not a supermarket incidentally, speak about me? Or is it just a cheap shot in the form of a personal insult to make you feel better?
No, it doesn't make me 'feel better' when farmers try to promote the provenance of their produce, only for you to try to point out hypocrisy where none exists. You want to talk about 'cheap shots', look in the mirror.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I notice they left out the 'normal ingredients' in a typical supermarket sausage though.

Pork 56%, Water, Rice Flour, Pork Rind, Pork Fat, Salt, Stabiliser (Disodium Diphosphate), Dextrose, Bamboo Fibre, White Pepper, Ginger, Nutmeg, Mace, Yeast Extract, Preservative (Sodium Metabisulphite), Caramelised Sugar Syrup, Flavouring, Antioxidant (Ascorbic Acid), Paprika Extract.

If you want to 'fight fire with fire' being economical with the truth does not help IMHO.
Rubbish - I think it’s fair to say those that attack agriculture (with agenda BBC included just last week) are equally or more selective

Unless we employ similar tactics and start fighting without our choices on this industry will be buried
 

Beowulf

Member
Location
Scotland
No, it doesn't make me 'feel better' when farmers try to promote the provenance of their produce, only for you to try to point out hypocrisy where none exists. You want to talk about 'cheap shots', look in the mirror.
Again with the personal insults. Did your parents not hug you often enough or something?

It IS hypocritical to criticise the synthetic elements of an alternative product while your own product contains similar synthetic components. It's then disingenuous to leave them out of the list of your own products' ingredients, or in other words lying.

Like I said, I support the principles of promoting meat and the health benefit associated with it. I WILL NOT condone doing so by lying to people.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
It's about time someone pointed out that 'Quorn' is a synthetic product manufactured from a nutrient rich cocktail in stainless towers from the fungus 'Fusarium Venenatum', which is mixed with Palm Oil, non vegan egg white and Calcium Chloride and Calcium Acetate included as 'firming agents'.
Add to that the process was pioneered by chemical giant ICI to manufacture high protein livestock feed, but now Quorn have cut out the animals and sell 'animal feed' at a huge price premium to gullible humans. Yum...
I feel another TFF infographic coming on
 

farenheit

Member
Location
Midlands
But what is wrong with the chemicals that make up these 'vegan' products, fundamentally? Again we are in danger of boxing ourselves in by saying 'we don't want any of these long named chemicals in our food' whilst simultaneously trying to say that the huge array of chemicals that we use to grow our crops are completely safe and nothing to worry about.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
But what is wrong with the chemicals that make up these 'vegan' products, fundamentally? Again we are in danger of boxing ourselves in by saying 'we don't want any of these long named chemicals in our food' whilst simultaneously trying to say that the huge array of chemicals that we use to grow our crops are completely safe and nothing to worry about.
Frankly who cares ? Aim is to make people think about what they are eating and where it comes from

I bet most vegans have never even given it any thought ! Or woulda be horrified to learn that quorn contained palm oil and eggs

It’s a headline not a phd ! And that’s all most people care about these days and exactly what we are up against when people say stuff like “cows are responsible for climate change “ etc
 

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