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- Thread starter Laggard
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- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Only if you talk about it in public.
Spencer
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- Location
- North West
That ship has sailed..
SilliamWhale
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Yes.
And pay them it's not a lot
And pay them it's not a lot
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Hypothetically, if you planted a mixture of two varieties, would any resultant seed be a cross of those varieties, so not actually of the variety list on the seed police's website? Would they then be exempt? 
(Dear seed policeman, don't bother knocking, I bought certified seed in)
(Dear seed policeman, don't bother knocking, I bought certified seed in)
Hypothetically, if you planted a mixture of two varieties, would any resultant seed be a cross of those varieties, so not actually of the variety list on the seed police's website? Would they then be exempt?
(Dear seed policeman, don't bother knocking, I bought certified seed in)
@Simon C looked at this for variety blends from a disease point of view. IIRC most of the blend kept their identities even after growing on the same blend for a few years. Most cereals are self pollinating, so crossing is quite hard work.
Donkey Oaty
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Just pay it and support the development of new varieties. If you hybrid was any good, maybe you could then be a beneficiary of Royalties!Hypothetically, if you planted a mixture of two varieties, would any resultant seed be a cross of those varieties, so not actually of the variety list on the seed police's website? Would they then be exempt?
(Dear seed policeman, don't bother knocking, I bought certified seed in)
- Location
- Essex Coast
That's right, 4 varieties in my blend have stayed pure even after 5 years of re-saving. The ratios of each in the mix has changed massively though.
- Location
- Oxfordshire
So are you paying four different royalties or just royalties for the variety that is the largest ratio?
- Location
- Essex Coast
Yes pay for each variety separately. BSPB did a DNA test 3 years ago and charged according to the new ratios of each variety. Got my own test done this year and unfortunately for BSPB the one variety that is now dominating the mix has been taken off the list. Only paid royalty on 45% of seed drilled this year.
- Location
- Oxfordshire
Not unfortunately for you!
Have you kept the same mix since you've started or have you included new varieties every now and again if you wanted a bit better rust prevention or protein for example?
- Location
- Essex Coast
No haven't added anything. The highest yielding variety is gradually increasing it's percentage in the mix and so the yield of the whole blend must also be going up. On the other hand it is slowly loosing diversity. I keep thinking I should add some new genetics, but what? Trouble is in my own variety trials I have never found any new single varieties that can match the yield of the blend.
- Location
- Oxfordshire
Well shows the blend is going in the right direction. The single varieties might not yield better but should you not be comparing the blend vs the blend + a new variety
How does paying each work? Do you do a pro rata tonnage or per ha pro rata or just 4x the royalties on every ha??
- Location
- Essex Coast
Yes Ben, I expect you are right but which, and how many new varieties do I need to try. Each one independently mixed into the blend. Anyway, I'm all trialed out, seem to have some experiment of other in every field this year.
- Location
- Essex Coast
Pay by the Ha at the same ratio as varieties are in the mix. So if one is at 30% from the DNA test, I pay 30% of my total hectares to that variety.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Do they want royalties on weed seeds too?
- Location
- Darlington
NO, they let you have them for free.
Always thought these royalties seem a bit like,,You buy a car and then the seller demands that he can use it anytime he wants.