If beet wasn’t bad enough

[Goffer]

Found out today that one of the big herbicides in beet is going and also biscaya as an insecticide. Unless they can breed resistance to virus yellow I think we’ll be done with beet within 2 seasons . Anybody shed some light onto the situation?

 

[Flat 10]

Found out today that one of the big herbicides in beet is going and also biscaya as an insecticide. Unless they can breed resistance to virus yellow I think we’ll be done with beet within 2 seasons . Anybody shed some light onto the situation?

I believe that they will be on the market in the not too distant future. The loss of desmedipham is not ideal but it’s not as critical as phenmedipham. If that goes it won’t be great. Seed arrived today

 

[deleted user 837354]

On what grounds is desmedipham being lost?

 

[Flat 10]

No idea. Been around for a while though ain’t it?

 

[Goffer]

On what grounds is desmedipham being lost?
Unsure but reliably informed at a recent meeting BS & KWS just refereed that will be able to purchase all the new als? Herbicide tolerant beet seed of which there’s at the moment only one variety approved .

 

[quattro]

Is beet factories still open?

 

[Goffer]

Newark april 4th . possibly eariler . 2 bros near us yet to start

 

[Flat 10]

Is beet factories still open?

Newark and wissington I think? Cantley soon and bury shut weeks ago

 

[quattro]

Newark april 4th . possibly eariler . 2 bros near us yet to start

Been too wet?

 

[Goffer]

lack of useful drainage more like

Been too wet?

 

[Hindsight]

Found out today that one of the big herbicides in beet is going and also biscaya as an insecticide. Unless they can breed resistance to virus yellow I think we’ll be done with beet within 2 seasons . Anybody shed some light onto the situation?

Desmedipham is available for 2020 bu product containing it had to be delivered by December 2019. Phenmedipham remains available, so the industry will adapt future herbicide programmes.

Biscaya (thiacloprid) is being withdrawn this summer and is in use up. As the active does not have a full approval no emergency approval for use on sugar beet can be granted for 2020. However, there remains Teppeki (floanacamid) available with full approval for us on sugar beet. And recently Incyst (aacetmoadprid) gained full label approval I gather.

Breeders are working on resistance, having stopped work 20 years ago when neonicotinois insecticides became available and widely adopted by the industry. Genetic material does exist but it takes time to breed - although I listened to a KWS member staff a few weeks ago who was optimistic that in a few years resistant varieties would be available.

Happy to be corrected / updated on any of this post.

 

[robbie]

I was told virus yellow resistance was 3 to 5 years away. It will be like rhyzo resistance and bcn tolerant varietu. To start with it will be a few varieties with a yield penalty for having the resistance then in time it will just become common across all varieties just like rhyzo resistance is now.

 

[Hindsight]

I was told virus yellow resistance was 3 to 5 years away. It will be like rhyzo resistance and bcn tolerant varietu. To start with it will be a few varieties with a yield penalty for having the resistance then in time it will just become common across all varieties just like rhyzo resistance is now.

Yes, that is what the KWS chap told us.

 

[Goffer]

I was told virus yellow resistance was 3 to 5 years away. It will be like rhyzo resistance and bcn tolerant varietu. To start with it will be a few varieties with a yield penalty for having the resistance then in time it will just become common across all varieties just like rhyzo resistance is now.

always behind though aren't we

 

[robbie]

always behind though aren't we

Yes, I'm afraid it seems theres been more effort put into conviso smart breeding than pest resistance breeding. The loss of chloridazon, limits imposed on metamiton and the loss of desmedipham are playing right into there hands and forcing us down the "packaged" seed and agronomy root which ultimately will only really benefit one person.........and it isn't the grower!!!!!

 

[teslacoils]

which ultimately will only really benefit one person.........and it isn't the grower!!!!!

This could be said about about everything associated with beet in the last 25 years, surely?

 

[Flat 10]

Desmedipham is available for 2020 bu product containing it had to be delivered by December 2019. Phenmedipham remains available, so the industry will adapt future herbicide programmes.

Biscaya (thiacloprid) is being withdrawn this summer and is in use up. As the active does not have a full approval no emergency approval for use on sugar beet can be granted for 2020. However, there remains Teppeki (floanacamid) available with full approval for us on sugar beet. And recently Incyst (aacetmoadprid) gained full label approval I gather.

Breeders are working on resistance, having stopped work 20 years ago when neonicotinois insecticides became available and widely adopted by the industry. Genetic material does exist but it takes time to breed - although I listened to a KWS member staff a few weeks ago who was optimistic that in a few years resistant varieties would be available.

Happy to be corrected / updated on any of this post.

Is incyst a good product?

 

[deleted user 837354]

Yes, I'm afraid it seems theres been more effort put into conviso smart breeding than pest resistance breeding. The loss of chloridazon, limits imposed on metamiton and the loss of desmedipham are playing right into there hands and forcing us down the "packaged" seed and agronomy root which ultimately will only really benefit one person.........and it isn't the grower!!!!!

I have to say that looking at the industry at large I can't see it ever stacks up in the face of cheaper imported cane sugar anyway. With one company controlling the price it is a monopoly and should never be allowed.

 

[Flat 10]

I have to say that looking at the industry at large I can't see it ever stacks up in the face of cheaper imported cane sugar anyway. With one company controlling the price it is a monopoly and should never be allowed.

You sound like someone else on here. It’s not a monopoly, you can build a factory if you want to. I’ve looked into growing AD beet too and the offers I received were worse than BS. Personally I’m glad BS keep going, best break crop on this farm.

 

[deleted user 837354]

You sound like someone else on here. It’s not a monopoly, you can build a factory if you want to. I’ve looked into growing AD beet too and the offers I received were worse than BS. Personally I’m glad BS keep going, best break crop on this farm.

Anyone can build a factory... Come on now.

I agree it is a great break crop. AD beet is surely less stringent in terms of quality?

I think your definition of monopoly differs somewhat from mine.