Limousin Society

[Agrivator]

So should we be lobbying the NFUs to equalise compensation values for all stock. If the pot available remains the same, pedigree stock would see a reduction, and commercial stock would see an increase. Seems fair to me!!!

 

[Hilly]

I’m in the throws of turning my entire herd pedigree , over the next few years it won’t cost much and TB creeps closer month by month .

 

[Whitepeak]

So should we be lobbying the NFUs to equalise compensation values for all stock. If the pot available remains the same, pedigree stock would see a reduction, and commercial stock would see an increase. Seems fair to me!!!

NO!
The current way is fairest way, with your suggestion a breeding Bull worth 5 figures would be valued the same as a beef sired steer out of a grass rat cow that'd be lucky to get to a grand! It wouldn't reflect market demands.

 

[Hilly]

So should we be lobbying the NFUs to equalise compensation values for all stock. If the pot available remains the same, pedigree stock would see a reduction, and commercial stock would see an increase. Seems fair to me!!!

Lobbying that bunch of wallys , get yourself down the pub more entertaining way of wasting your life than messing about with the No f use brigade .

 

[topground]

The show ring and fashion have ruined many a breed, far to many poor types are registered when only the best functioning ones should be kept. Also a fashion for certain traits can make a breed loose it’s original strengths.

At the Bath and West having watched the supreme champion North Devon (Ruby) being picked out I asked a group who were obviously aficionados what set the champion bull apart from the rest. To me he didnt have enough length or much of a top line. Their reply; 'he has a lovely head'.
Since the head is the first thing that goes in the bin after slaughter I worried about the influence of the show ring on breed development. The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they wont have a future.

 

[Hilly]

At the Bath and West having watched the supreme champion North Devon (Ruby) being picked out I asked a group who were obviously aficionados what set the champion bull apart from the rest. To me he didnt have enough length or much of a top line. Their reply; 'he has a lovely head'.
Since the head is the first thing that goes in the bin after slaughter I worried about the influence of the show ring on breed development. The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they wont have a future.

The sheeted cattle might end up looking like a belted Belgium blue then ?

 

[Agrivator]

At the Bath and West having watched the supreme champion North Devon (Ruby) being picked out I asked a group who were obviously aficionados what set the champion bull apart from the rest. To me he didnt have enough length or much of a top line. Their reply; 'he has a lovely head'.
Since the head is the first thing that goes in the bin after slaughter I worried about the influence of the show ring on breed development. The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they wont have a future.

You might just as well say that the feet and lower legs are of no importance

The first thing that any stockman, worth his or her salt, looks at is the head. It is the most important guide as to quality of any animal. It tells you about its health and nutritional state, its temperament and its breed characteristics.

And anyone who disagrees isn't a stockman. Although I sympathise with any would-be -stockman who can't distinguish one animal from another.

 

[Bill the Bass]

I’m in the throws of turning my entire herd pedigree , over the next few years it won’t cost much and TB creeps closer month by month .

Pedigree or pure bred? There is a world of difference in terms of cost.

 

[Hilly]

Pedigree or pure bred? There is a world of difference in terms of cost.

I will register all my Hereford females as pedigree , even though most will go to an Angus bull , it will mean though the ones that do the best will be returned to breed ped if they not registered won’t have that choice will have to have two defined herds , it will also mean if the dreaded TB appears I will be be better off substantially better off. It costs £24.00 for a ped certificate on two hundred cows that’s £4800 , if the dreaded TB appears which it’s getting closer all the time now into north Northumberland I will be quids in .

 

[Henarar]

The sheeted cattle might end up looking like a belted Belgium blue then ?

Been working on that

 

[Nearly]

I will register all my Hereford females as pedigree , even though most will go to an Angus bull , it will mean though the ones that do the best will be returned to breed ped if they not registered won’t have that choice will have to have two defined herds , it will also mean if the dreaded TB appears I will be be better off substantially better off. It costs £24.00 for a ped certificate on two hundred cows that’s £4800 , if the dreaded TB appears which it’s getting closer all the time now into north Northumberland I will be quids in .

The whole TB valuation playing field is persuading commercial people to register purebred cows 'just in case'.
If it wasn't for these registrations the breed societies would be on their arse and exposed for the pyramid selling scheme that they are.
A pure bull that threw double muscled claves has ended our dealing with one herd and left a very bitter taste involving dead calves, dead cows and financial loss.
The bull left here to go on a hook!
It could be said that the breed societies have no interest in reducing the spread of TB as it increases their income.

 

[topground]

You might just as well say that the feet and lower legs are of no importance

The first thing that any stockman, worth his or her salt, looks at is the head. It is the most important guide as to quality of any animal. It tells you about its health and nutritional state, its temperament and its breed characteristics.

And anyone who disagrees isn't a stockman. Although I sympathise with any would-be -stockman who can't distinguish one animal from another.

@Agrivator
I made no mention of the feet and lower legs.
To suggest that any animal animal in a show that has to have its head looked at to determine its health and nutrition state is absurd since it is unlikely that it would be on show undernourished and poorly.
I would be interested in your wisdom regarding how an animals temperament can be judged by looking from ringside at its head, its general demeanour perhaps and as for breed characteristics, if it is the head you are judging that on good luck!

 

[Hilly]

The whole TB valuation playing field is persuading commercial people to register purebred cows 'just in case'.
If it wasn't for these registrations the breed societies would be on their arse and exposed for the pyramid selling scheme that they are.
A pure bull that threw double muscled claves has ended our dealing with one herd and left a very bitter taste involving dead calves, dead cows and financial loss.
The bull left here to go on a hook!
It could be said that the breed societies have no interest in reducing the spread of TB as it increases their income.

I’m predominantly registering mine as ped because I want to breed ped animals but the valuation is helpfull as I see it creeping ever closer, I just do what I have to do to protect myself , a 24 quid bit of paper could be well worth it if the worst happens .

 

[Agrivator]

The whole TB valuation playing field is persuading commercial people to register purebred cows 'just in case'.
If it wasn't for these registrations the breed societies would be on their arse and exposed for the pyramid selling scheme that they are.
A pure bull that threw double muscled claves has ended our dealing with one herd and left a very bitter taste involving dead calves, dead cows and financial loss.
The bull left here to go on a hook!
It could be said that the breed societies have no interest in reducing the spread of TB as it increases their income.

Well said. It's a truism that most pedigree breeders are first and foremost ''Showmen''. Even to the extent that they publicize the price they get for private sales.

 

[Cowgirl]

To go back to the topic - does anyone know what the Limousin Society is doing now to sort out their problems?

 

[Old Tip]

At the Bath and West having watched the supreme champion North Devon (Ruby) being picked out I asked a group who were obviously aficionados what set the champion bull apart from the rest. To me he didnt have enough length or much of a top line. Their reply; 'he has a lovely head'.
Since the head is the first thing that goes in the bin after slaughter I worried about the influence of the show ring on breed development. The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they woe a future.

Spoke to a very angry Gloucester Cattle breeder at a shoe who’d fantastic cow had been placed last and the judge hadn’t considered it because it didn’t have horns. When questioned the judge said it didn’t fit the breed requirements

 

[Henarar]

Pedigree or pure bred? There is a world of difference in terms of cost.

Apart from registration/membership fees what other difference in cost is there ?

 

[Henarar]

The whole TB valuation playing field is persuading commercial people to register purebred cows 'just in case'.
If it wasn't for these registrations the breed societies would be on their arse and exposed for the pyramid selling scheme that they are.
A pure bull that threw double muscled claves has ended our dealing with one herd and left a very bitter taste involving dead calves, dead cows and financial loss.
The bull left here to go on a hook!
It could be said that the breed societies have no interest in reducing the spread of TB as it increases their income.

how could breed societies reduce the spread of TB anyway ? Do you suggest they send people out shooting badgers

 

[Henarar]

Well said. It's a truism that most pedigree breeders are first and foremost ''Showmen''. Even to the extent that they publicize the price they get for private sales.

What would you class as "most" 51 % or something like 95% ?
And where do you find out all these prices for private pedigree sales ?

 

[M-J-G]

I will register all my Hereford females as pedigree , even though most will go to an Angus bull , it will mean though the ones that do the best will be returned to breed ped if they not registered won’t have that choice will have to have two defined herds , it will also mean if the dreaded TB appears I will be be better off substantially better off. It costs £24.00 for a ped certificate on two hundred cows that’s £4800 , if the dreaded TB appears which it’s getting closer all the time now into north Northumberland I will be quids in .

Plus DNA every pedigree heifer so she's eligible to have calves registered.
Not huge, but is still more cost.