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[M-J-G]

Spoke to a very angry Gloucester Cattle breeder at a shoe who’d fantastic cow had been placed last and the judge hadn’t considered it because it didn’t have horns. When questioned the judge said it didn’t fit the breed requirements

No beast should have horns IMO.

 

[M-J-G]

how could breed societies reduce the spread of TB anyway ? Do you suggest they send people out shooting badgers

Why don't you read his post again!

 

[GenuineRisk]

The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they wont have a future.

Is that a wise choice? The difference between breed classes and fatstock/commercial classes is surely your breed entries are just that - breeding stock ? Not animals that are fit to go? It takes a very, very, experienced butcher to be objective enough to recognise their should be a difference ! Fat around the ovaries in breeding heifers, for example, is not desirable.

Would like a tenner for every time we’ve been told our females aren’t quite ‘fit enough’ going into second place, beaten by females with fat around their tail stock and udders... ! As in show horses, fat hides more than you realise . It’s also the enemy of breeders for sure

Just my view !
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[M-J-G]

At the Bath and West having watched the supreme champion North Devon (Ruby) being picked out I asked a group who were obviously aficionados what set the champion bull apart from the rest. To me he didnt have enough length or much of a top line. Their reply; 'he has a lovely head'.
Since the head is the first thing that goes in the bin after slaughter I worried about the influence of the show ring on breed development. The Sheeted Somerset Cattle Society rules state that animals at shows must be judged by a commercial butcher. If they dont meet the requirements of the market they wont have a future.

I would say it could be the ruination of a dual purpose type animal to have them judged by someone who's primarily interested in terminal traits.

 

[topground]

Fair points and if it is to the detriment of the breed no doubt members will change the rules. A greater priority is to exhibit Sheeted Somerset cattle when shows can go ahead.

 

[Agrivator]

What would you class as "most" 51 % or something like 95% ?
And where do you find out all these prices for private pedigree sales ?

The Scottish farmer regularly reports the prices agreed in private sales. It's a good way for sellers and buyers to gain a bit of cheap publicity. And they can agree whatever price they wish, without having to pay commission.

I would guess that slightly more than half are showmen.

 

[Agrivator]

Is that a wise choice? The difference between breed classes and fatstock/commercial classes is surely your breed entries are just that - breeding stock ? Not animals that are fit to go? It takes a very, very, experienced butcher to be objective enough to recognise their should be a difference ! Fat around the ovaries in breeding heifers, for example, is not desirable.

Would like a tenner for every time we’ve been told our females aren’t quite ‘fit enough’ going into second place, beaten by females with fat around their tail stock and udders... ! As in show horses, fat hides more than you realise . It’s also the enemy of breeders for sure

Just my view !
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And a very astute view.

 

[Henarar]

The Scottish farmer regularly reports the prices agreed in private sales. It's a good way for sellers and buyers to gain a bit of cheap publicity. And they can agree whatever price they wish, without having to pay commission.

I would guess that slightly more than half are showmen.

Can't say I have seen private sale prices reported but I don't read the Scottish farmer.
So you think a bit more than half of pedigree breeders are only in it for the showing

 

[M-J-G]

What would you class as "most" 51 % or something like 95% ?
And where do you find out all these prices for private pedigree sales ?

More than not.
Obviously not under the same rock as you're stuck under

 

[Agrivator]

Can't say I have seen private sale prices reported but I don't read the Scottish farmer.
So you think a bit more than half of pedigree breeders are only in it for the showing

No. by showmen, I don't mean breeders who enter shows, but who are show-offs etc.

Many normal reserved farmers enter shows, often with commercial stock to support their local show.

 

[neilo]

That difference is ridiculous. The majority of pedigree stock are no better and often worse than good commercial stock. Try buying pedigree bulling heifers and see how disappointing some of them are.

Most pedigree breeders are simply adept at feeding and dressing. Once the shine goes of their stock, they shrink to about two thirds of their size and can look mighty plain.

Unless things have changed since I was involved, those tabular valuations are based on average market prices for the different classes & ages of cattle over a set preceding period.
The differences in valuation between pedigree and non-pedigree is purely down to the difference in recorded sales figures.

 

[Henarar]

No. by showmen, I don't mean breeders who enter shows, but who are show-offs etc.

Many normal reserved farmers enter shows, often with commercial stock to support their local show.

Ahh I see what you are saying now, what about women are there may show women show-offs ?

 

[M-J-G]

Ahh I see what you are saying now, what about women are there may show women show-offs ?

You're a tool

 

[Old Tip]

Spoke to a very angry Gloucester Cattle breeder at a shoe who’d fantastic cow had been placed last and the judge hadn’t considered it because it didn’t have horns. When questioned the judge said it didn’t fit the breed requirements

No beast should have horns IMO.

I don’t mind them on my Highlands, but they live outdoors and do help keep the tourists out of the fields as they confuse having horns with masculinity

 

[M-J-G]

I don’t mind them on my Highlands, but they live outdoors and do help keep the tourists out of the fields as they confuse having horns with masculinity

Plenty of polled cattle will keep tourists away, look at all the mental Angus that you see on videos

 

[M-J-G]

That difference is ridiculous. The majority of pedigree stock are no better and often worse than good commercial stock. Try buying pedigree bulling heifers and see how disappointing some of them are.

Most pedigree breeders are simply adept at feeding and dressing. Once the shine goes of their stock, they shrink to about two thirds of their size and can look mighty plain.

Do you ever buy pedigree bulls?

 

[Bill the Bass]

Do you ever buy pedigree bulls?

Not good ones anyways, judging by his experiences.

 

[Agrivator]

Do you ever buy pedigree bulls?

We have three pedigree bulls - two by Ampertaine Gigolo and one by Ampertaine Jamboree. And four homebred bulls out of pedigree cows.

But despite that, I regard the majority of pedigree breeders as showmen who hide a lot of faults by over feeding and dressing. And its still a fact that the honest breeders are always at a disadvantage regarding true date of birth

 

[Hilly]

I’ve 5 ped bulls I don’t think any of the breeders show at all, they all rear bulls the same as anyone would rear non ped stock I don’t see any extra costs other than perhaps in the way of genetics .

 

[M-J-G]

We have three pedigree bulls - two by Ampertaine Gigolo and one by Ampertaine Jamboree. And four homebred bulls out of pedigree cows.

But despite that, I regard the majority of pedigree breeders as showmen who hide a lot of faults by over feeding and dressing. And its still a fact that the honest breeders are always at a disadvantage regarding true date of birth

I don't disagree with any of that.
I am intrigued why you bother with pedigree cattle.

Why buy pedigree if so many other cattle are better?
There are plenty of non registered bulls about