Red clover sowing

[Great In Grass]

Will look DLF up can you remember how many kgs of red clover was in the mix was going to split a 10 acre field into 7 paddocks and rotate sheep every three days would you put white clover into it as well r do you think that might be over doing it ? Bloat

3kgs of Red Clover seed in a 12kg (long term) or 14kg mix is ideal.

 

[Great In Grass]

I think it was this one

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You can still get this apart from one of the varieties.

 

[hally]

Yep red clover mixed with our best selling long term mix is very popular around here.

 

[Beefnsheep]

3kgs of Red Clover seed in a 12kg (long term) or 14kg mix is ideal.

Great was thinking of putting it in with a medium term ley after I cut the field for wholecrop wheat thinking of burning of and dd with gutler seeder

 

[Great In Grass]

Great was thinking of putting it in with a medium term ley after I cut the field for wholecrop wheat thinking of burning of and dd with gutler seeder

Red Clover will normally last 4 years and for the best establishment needs a soil temperature of 10dC for 10 weeks after the optimum period diminishes quickly.

 

[clod hopper]

Will look DLF up can you remember how many kgs of red clover was in the mix was going to split a 10 acre field into 7 paddocks and rotate sheep every three days would you put white clover into it as well r do you think that might be over doing it ? Bloat

Go for it white clover fills bare patches better

 

[Beefnsheep]

Red Clover will normally last 4 years and for the best establishment needs a soil temperature of 10dC for 10 weeks after the optimum period diminishes quickly.

Would more tetrapoild are diploid’s variety’s work best with red clover?

 

[ollie989898]

Would more tetrapoild are diploid’s variety’s work best with red clover?

What are you trying to achieve? What stock/use?

 

[ollie989898]

Go for it white clover fills bare patches better

I would do this too, maybe as much as 1kg of large leaf white clover if you wanted to cut it.

Red clover will persist a long time but it won't stand much abuse, cutting it low or scalping or driving on it with tankers when its tender it won't like it. It does like regular doses of P and K though.

Few kilos of diploid PRG in the bottom or even timothy would make a lovely cutting mix. 4-6kg Lofa and you will have that for a few years and get great production out of it.

 

[ollie989898]

do you sow red clover straight are in a pr grass mix quite fancy putting it in a grass mix for fattening lambs

Can do both.

 

[ollie989898]

I think it was this one

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Drop the perseus and perun out, opt for 6kg of Lofa instead.

 

[Great In Grass]

Would more tetrapoild are diploid’s variety’s work best with red clover?

With a longer term mix we go with a mix of Hybrid Perennial Ryegrass Tetraploids (if available) & Intermediate PRG (Tet).

 

[Beefnsheep]

What are you trying to achieve? What stock/use?

Couple of cuts then store lambs for the rest of the year it had 2 ton of lime/acre before putting in the wheat first week of November but will soil test before sowing to make sure everything up to scratch

 

[ollie989898]

Couple of cuts then store lambs for the rest of the year it had 2 ton of lime/acre before putting in the wheat first week of November but will soil test before sowing to make sure everything up to scratch

Ideal then, wheat comes off in summer, run cultivator gently through to make tilth, sow soon as you can and roll.

If you are going to graze it a bit of diploid PRG would be good so it doesn't look too boney.

 

[Muddyroads]

Bag of clover arrived yesterday. Ground has really dried up, no rain forecast for weeks.
I have this old antique to use
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Was thinking of putting it on least aggressive setting to disturb the soil, sow with little wagtail and roll in? Current picture of groundView attachment 871433

I haven’t seen a turbotiller in years!

 

[Beefnsheep]

Ideal then, wheat comes off in summer, run cultivator gently through to make tilth, sow soon as you can and roll.

If you are going to graze it a bit of diploid PRG would be good so it doesn't look too boney.

What sort of fertiliser would you put in seedbed to get it going no nitrogen at all?

 

[ollie989898]

What sort of fertiliser would you put in seedbed to get it going no nitrogen at all?

No idea without a soil test in front of me to look at.

If slurry or manure available I might not put anything on. Putting N on is controversial but I know people who put 30-50 units on first thing in spring to get everything going.

 

[Beefnsheep]

No idea without a soil test in front of me to look at.

If slurry or manure available I might not put anything on. Putting N on is controversial but I know people who put 30-50 units on first thing in spring to get everything going.

Cheers I’ll maybe put soil sample up here at the time see where to go from there thanks ?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Most legumes respond well to a bit of a sulphur boost.
I know many of my posts sound like I'm trying to sell sulphur fertiliser - I'm not, but we're in a low S area and it's often the limiting factor with pasture performance.
People understand that low moly = low fixation but often don't know about the S or put it off.

Putting N+P+K+Mo doesn't help them much if the S is on the floor!

Many are getting the idea now and looking at ways to use sulphate froms when planning a fert recipe, eg using some AS instead of urea, that type of thing, often transformational.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

What sort of fertiliser would you put in seedbed to get it going no nitrogen at all?

Manure if possible.
Correct any obvious deficiencies but your farm's animal manure should have plenty of what's abundant in your nutrient cycle.