Simply ban the use of Brazilian Soya

[white_stuffed]

And this analysis is good as well...

Soy: food, feed, and land use change

The global growth in the production of soy and its use for different types of foods has been, and continues to be, a major contributor to land use change in the Amazon and other regions in South America. This building block explores the connections between soy, land use change, and discussions...

www.tabledebates.org

 

[J 1177]

wasnt fish meal used years ago for protein in animal feed ? i seem to remember the first farmers weeklys i read back in the 1970s had ads for it, maybe a stupid question but why cant our fishing industry use the waste thats being thrown back into the sea ?

Banned after bse. We used to fatten pigs using fishmeal as protien, cracking feed.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Always a lot of talk on banning things on here. What would you be hoping to achieve? Can you even tell origin of soybeans? They could just shuffle things around a bit at a different port and say they can from there.

We have plenty of soybeans here to send ya if the South American ones aren’t any good.

how about Think a bit more about how you comment.,you come across like some clever clogs who thinks were a ll dafties.

If you (North America ?)can supply them more sustainably ( which i think you can ?) then sell them to us because soya is good stuff, we just don't want rainforest ones !
but we can and do get them from elsewhere (like eastern Europe) so be nice and buisness like pls

 

[Henarar]

Can you even tell origin of soybeans?

No hair on Brazilian soybeans

 

[Bury the Trash]

there is its just trimmed neatly

 

[Exfarmer]

I don't think fish make up much of natural part of a pigs diet.

Dont suppose soya is either!

 

[Sid]

Dont suppose soya is either!

Or potatoes or maize

 

[Dead Rabbits]

how about Think a bit more about how you comment.,you come across like some clever clogs who thinks were a ll dafties.

If you (North America ?)can supply them more sustainably ( which i think you can ?) then sell them to us because soya is good stuff, we just don't want rainforest ones !
but we can and do get them from elsewhere (like eastern Europe) so be nice and buisness like pls

Not my intention to come across like that at all. If I do, my apologies. I am a poor writer. I enjoy the UK and it’s people, plan to visit again in the future.Genuine questions.

Here several years ago there was uproar in the organic community over imported Eastern Europe grain not being organic but being sold as such. Went on for years apparently. How would a ban on soybeans be enforced ?

I don’t think North America can supply soybeans any more sustainable than anywhere else at a broad acre scale using current practices. It’s an immense amount of P to repeatedly remove and ship round the world with all of the associated degradation issues with most crops. Thing is we got rid of our rainforest equivalent last century or two and are busy mining that soil built by prairie.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Farmer A in one part of the world moaning about farmer B in another part of the world growing something farmer A can't grow? Oh, and they are cutting down trees as well? Because no one ever cut down any trees and cleared land to grow anything on it in the UK, did they?

 

[Hilly]

Both fishmeal and m&b banned for pigs too but as omnivores they would both naturally consume them. Great shame.

How would a pig catch a fish do you get pig fishing rods ?

 

[Muddyroads]

Of course, the BBC has to get their little dig in at meat aswell.

I saw that too. Searched for the email address of the reporter to challenge her, but of course it couldn’t be found.

 

[Henarar]

Farmer A in one part of the world moaning about farmer B in another part of the world growing something farmer A can't grow? Oh, and they are cutting down trees as well? Because no one ever cut down any trees and cleared land to grow anything on it in the UK, did they?

So anything that happened in the past is ok to carry on is it ?
Those witches better watch out

 

[neilo]

How would a pig catch a fish do you get pig fishing rods ?

Apparently there are fishing pigs....

 

[Kevtherev]

UK supermarkets warn Brazil over Amazon land bill

Almost 40 UK companies say proposed laws could accelerate deforestation in the Amazon region.

www.bbc.co.uk

Instead of writing a strongly worded letter get some balls and ban the use of it in animal AND human food.

If I get an issue I am sure the line" well I wrote them a letter" will see me right!

With the massive amount of poultry units going up the demand for it is there.

 

[bluebell]

fact the population of this country has grown since 1977 by over 9 million? the same time the cattle population has gone down by over 2 million ?

 

[Grassman]

Farmer A in one part of the world moaning about farmer B in another part of the world growing something farmer A can't grow? Oh, and they are cutting down trees as well? Because no one ever cut down any trees and cleared land to grow anything on it in the UK, did they?

Exactly.
Most countries are responsible for deforestation.
If we expect Brazil to not do it to the rain forest then the rest of the world must pay to preserve it somehow.

 

[farmerm]

Yes let’s ban importing soya and instead increase imports of (soya fed) meat and dairy instead That’s like banning imports of raw rubber whilst continuing to import tyres.

 

[farmerm]

Exactly.
Most countries are responsible for deforestation.
If we expect Brazil to not do it to the rain forest then the rest of the world must pay to preserve it somehow.

Brazil’s president is well aware of this potential. They have been turning a blind eye to increased illegal logging so they can cash in on timber now whilst create ever larger areas for which the rest of the world will be later paying them to restore and protect!

 

[Sid]

Yes let’s ban importing soya and instead increase imports of (soya fed) meat and dairy instead That’s like banning imports of raw rubber whilst continuing to import tyres.

We can grow the protein in this country.

 

[matthew]

wasnt fish meal used years ago for protein in animal feed ? i seem to remember the first farmers weeklys i read back in the 1970s had ads for it, maybe a stupid question but why cant our fishing industry use the waste thats being thrown back into the sea ?

It was actually a good feed source for dairy cows.

BUT is it right to feed an animal a source of feed it wouldn't naturally consume? Meat and bone meal being another example.

If it wasn’t thrown back and it had a value, then even more would be landed.
Quotas came in to curtail overfishing. Giving that ‘waste’ a value would mean it happened again.

Fishmeal was certainly a valuable protein source, but got thrown out with the meat & bone meal ban after BSE.

It was banned as some our exported meat and bone meal was found in a shipment of fishmeal on a return trip. The import / export of UK M&B was surprisingly in balance.

Both fishmeal and m&b banned for pigs too but as omnivores they would both naturally consume them. Great shame.

It's made into fish food now, or exported. And we import the 'finished' product.

Banned after bse. We used to fatten pigs using fishmeal as protien, cracking feed.

Bloodmeal still used. (Or was when i last looked)