Tilly Trailer test
- Thread starter mountfarm
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- Location
- Darlington
I agree as long as you can show the operators have been adequately trained to do the inspection.
- Location
- Darlington
My fitter used to jack every wheel up and spin them, so do I, but loads don't. It's a great way to check the bearings and brakes but you need to know what you are listening for. In the same way that my combine driver can 'feel' a dodgy bearing just by listening to the combine run.
that's how its done even on a mot there is no reason to remove the drum unless your repairing the brakes or bearing
- Location
- Huntingdon, UK
No. In fact, tampering with the braking system (i.e. removing the drums) is actively discouraged due to the possibility of introducing more failures. If they are removed the TC's like you to do another loaded RBT to check the reassembly.
However the HGV guidance is 4 loaded RBT's plus the one at annual test interspersed throughout the year, with unladen RBT or decelerometer or road test with monitored temperatures at all other inspections, in the same calendar week as the safety inspection, from memory.
mengeleguru
Member
- Location
- Derbyshire
We are a small dealer in the countryside but also M O T class 4 vehicles cars , vans, , pickups & quads etc amongst may other jobs
It is an inspection to see if a vehicle meets a minimum standards on the day presented , To make sure it’s road worthy. 1/3rd fail
We sell trailers, agricultural,livestock,Bateson and ifor Williams types, grain & silage etc
Believe you me if you had to M O T these most would fail ,lights , brakes , wheel nuts, brakes etc
There is minimal maintainance done on any and you expect it to be road worthy.
It will come ,the main reason they don’t have a M O T is there is no data base of trailers etc , caravans too are just as bad.
Abroad they have a separate no plate to each trailer.(traceable)
Trailer brakes can be more efficient than tractor brakes if set up properly (especially modern ones)
So if you want V O S A off your back when there’s an accident put a bit of effort in.
Im for testing trailers etc , they do 50K , 60K now , wants a bit of stopping for that kid that runs out or cyclist !
It is an inspection to see if a vehicle meets a minimum standards on the day presented , To make sure it’s road worthy. 1/3rd fail
We sell trailers, agricultural,livestock,Bateson and ifor Williams types, grain & silage etc
Believe you me if you had to M O T these most would fail ,lights , brakes , wheel nuts, brakes etc
There is minimal maintainance done on any and you expect it to be road worthy.
It will come ,the main reason they don’t have a M O T is there is no data base of trailers etc , caravans too are just as bad.
Abroad they have a separate no plate to each trailer.(traceable)
Trailer brakes can be more efficient than tractor brakes if set up properly (especially modern ones)
So if you want V O S A off your back when there’s an accident put a bit of effort in.
Im for testing trailers etc , they do 50K , 60K now , wants a bit of stopping for that kid that runs out or cyclist !
ollie989898
Member
I agree, and in fairness the law is pretty serious when it comes to blaming drivers who are the first port of call when it comes to being pulled over on the roadside.
I would hope that employers would not be asking operators to use equipment they knew was not 100% functional but from the stuff you see on roads it does make you wonder. Then there is the issue of factory fresh equipment which isn't even able to pass the basic breaking specifications from new...
kiwi pom
Member
- Location
- canterbury NZ
But... throwing a curve ball out there...
who’s responsibility is it too decide if the driver is competent enough too carry out any pre-start checks on a trailer ect ect... there’s no real standard in the industry... an 18 year old lad fresh out of nappy’s isn’t going too have the experience that a 30 year old operator is.... the driver could always argue they weren’t sure what the standard of a road legal/fit trailer is as they know no better...
It's up to the employer to make sure the employee knows what they have to do as part of the job. A pre trip is entry level, day one stuff.
Just chucking kids on machines with no advice or training is why there's so many bloody rules out there.
Instead of more rules, there should be more checks on dodgy employers and more penalties for those caught, then those that do know what they are doing and operate within the law don't get punished because of the cowboys.
kiwi pom
Member
- Location
- canterbury NZ
If they have signed off a check list or pressed the accept button on a logged in app, then its on them. You do need some way of checking, like cameras in the yard or random spot checks at the gate.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Im for testing trailers etc , they do 50K , 60K now , wants a bit of stopping for that kid that runs out or cyclist !
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And what many don't realise is that if you double your speed then you need to quadruple your braking power. So from 30 to 60 kph, is 30 'braking units' to 120
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And what many don't realise is that if you double your speed then you need to quadruple your braking power. So from 30 to 60 kph, is 30 'braking units' to 120
not legallyWe are a small dealer in the countryside but also M O T class 4 vehicles cars , vans, , pickups & quads etc amongst may other jobs
It is an inspection to see if a vehicle meets a minimum standards on the day presented , To make sure it’s road worthy. 1/3rd fail
We sell trailers, agricultural,livestock,Bateson and ifor Williams types, grain & silage etc
Believe you me if you had to M O T these most would fail ,lights , brakes , wheel nuts, brakes etc
There is minimal maintainance done on any and you expect it to be road worthy.
It will come ,the main reason they don’t have a M O T is there is no data base of trailers etc , caravans too are just as bad.
Abroad they have a separate no plate to each trailer.(traceable)
Trailer brakes can be more efficient than tractor brakes if set up properly (especially modern ones)
So if you want V O S A off your back when there’s an accident put a bit of effort in.
Im for testing trailers etc , they do 50K , 60K now , wants a bit of stopping for that kid that runs out or cyclist !
- Location
- Holderness
We do our own servicing after a course from Andy Scarlett (I think that was his name). We strip all trailers annually, service them up and repair as required. We don’t have a rolling road locally so make do with the inertia test. I’m happy that’s the best way for us, the operators understand the components so know what to look for. I feel the Tilly is a waste of money for us BUT for someone that’s not taken much interest in brakes etc and it means they are checked over then that has to be a start. I feel that Tilly would do more good raising awareness than trying to create another standard.
Jetemp
Member
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Interesting read this.
as most of you know I manage a small fleet of trucks! My drivers have a walk around app on there phones that fill in every day at the beginning of there shift. This links into the tacho and tracking syastem, I get an emailed alert if they haven’t been completed before the vehicle moves after they have inserted there tacho card. The app I use shows a gps trace of the driver completing there walk around, from this I can tell if the walk around has been completed properly or done from the comfort of the drivers seat. The whole system integrates amasingly well, if a defect is raised I also then get a notification and can implement the remedial action necessary to complete a repair. Drivers can also add pictures of issue for example tyres that are nearing there wear limits etc.
As for removal of brake drums, this is never routinely done to any of my trailers we would take the backing plates off the drums to inspect the drums in situ. We try not to remove wheels whenever possible as it removes the requirement of torquing wheels nut up and subsequent re torque requirement. Ultimately any wheel/nut that has been removed has a full paper trail that goes with for its initial torque and subsequent retorque. I have just had an issue this week where one of my drivers got the farm ’mechanic’ to help him fit some fancy wheel trims to his truck, they didnt Re torque the wheels properly, in the mechanics words a bit of pipe on the end of breaker bar was ok, ultimately I’ve had the wheel studs replaced after they potentially stretched the threads, it was the only way I could realistically manage the risk that i was put in.
My trucks are put on a rolling road every 6 weeks when they get inspected, cost me £8 an axle, £48 for a tractor unit and trailer, but the peace of mind it gives is invaluable.
Agriculture has a long way to go to clean its act Up in respect of road safety.......
as most of you know I manage a small fleet of trucks! My drivers have a walk around app on there phones that fill in every day at the beginning of there shift. This links into the tacho and tracking syastem, I get an emailed alert if they haven’t been completed before the vehicle moves after they have inserted there tacho card. The app I use shows a gps trace of the driver completing there walk around, from this I can tell if the walk around has been completed properly or done from the comfort of the drivers seat. The whole system integrates amasingly well, if a defect is raised I also then get a notification and can implement the remedial action necessary to complete a repair. Drivers can also add pictures of issue for example tyres that are nearing there wear limits etc.
As for removal of brake drums, this is never routinely done to any of my trailers we would take the backing plates off the drums to inspect the drums in situ. We try not to remove wheels whenever possible as it removes the requirement of torquing wheels nut up and subsequent re torque requirement. Ultimately any wheel/nut that has been removed has a full paper trail that goes with for its initial torque and subsequent retorque. I have just had an issue this week where one of my drivers got the farm ’mechanic’ to help him fit some fancy wheel trims to his truck, they didnt Re torque the wheels properly, in the mechanics words a bit of pipe on the end of breaker bar was ok, ultimately I’ve had the wheel studs replaced after they potentially stretched the threads, it was the only way I could realistically manage the risk that i was put in.
My trucks are put on a rolling road every 6 weeks when they get inspected, cost me £8 an axle, £48 for a tractor unit and trailer, but the peace of mind it gives is invaluable.
Agriculture has a long way to go to clean its act Up in respect of road safety.......
- Location
- Darlington
Exactly. I did it for 30 odd years, proud vto say I never had a wheel bearing fail down the road
That is a very much belt and braces system but probably the way all of haulage is going with the added bonus that you can go home at the end of the day, confident that you have done you can to ensure the trucks and trailers are roadworthy.
Nowadays everything has changed and it's no good doing everything right if you don't record that you have done everything right. Definitely think Clive's app has a place for anything going on the road for me
App - Merit Inspection Solutions
MeritAgCheck is an innovative new app for recording all vehicle and farm machinery safety checks, servicing, maintenance and compliance documentationwww.meritinspections.co.uk
i use the free version as it does all we need re safety checking
I also use the app, apart of the free MeritAgCheck app, I do my daily checks which cover all daily requirements. I found it quick and easy which is why I upgraded to premium so I can record servicing, training records, and expiry dates. I would highly recommend this app! whatever test you are doing.
Very good of one of our newest members to sign up come straight to this subject and recommend it (highly)
Very good of one of our newest members to sign up come straight to this subject and recommend it (highly)
Somebody told me about the Tilly test not working and I thought I would have a look at the thread. I’ve been using the app and thought I would join in the debate. Sorry pal, hope that’s okay?
- Location
- Darlington
We're a very cynical bunch on here, often with just cause. Welcome to TFF and thanks for your input.Somebody told me about the Tilly test not working and I thought I would have a look at the thread. I’ve been using the app and thought I would join in the debate. Sorry pal, hope that’s okay?
Captain Sensible
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- Location
- mid-Norfolk
I'm very, very pleased to see this subject being aired and people either already doing something sensible about it or at least giving serious thought about it.
If anyone wants some more information you might find the new AEA 'Look Behind You' guide of help. It's free and available from the following website ..... in hardcopy or electronically:-
https://aea.uk.com/look-behind-you/
Apparently produced by a so-called tractor-trailer braking expert
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I recommend that publication.