Insecurity of tenure essentially- given only on a short term let- due to LL not wanting to jeopardise IHT relief. (don't think they've had the best advice here...)
Wales BPS replacement
- Thread starter SilliamWhale
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SilliamWhale
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And wanting to keep being an "active farmer" I expect. I suppose it is giving you the chance to have both the access to the land and a lower rent though?
Pistonbroke
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They do their best to get people out of it aswell. They've just been querying our crop codes from ten years ago with the threat of claiming back most of what has been paid. Appealed and pointed out we were right and they were wrong and within a fortnight offered an extension
and here's a sign of what to expect post 2025-
A NRW report published on Wednesday-
"said significant action and funding is needed within the next two to three years if that goal is to be achieved."
The day after WG announced they're kicking the can down the road on a 25 year old status quo!!
In many ways it's a bloody good job this lot don't know their arse from their elbow....
Climate change: Wildlife and plant species decline 'a crisis'
Possible solutions include limiting use of fertiliser on farmland and creating new wildlife habitats.
www.bbc.co.uk
A NRW report published on Wednesday-
"said significant action and funding is needed within the next two to three years if that goal is to be achieved."
The day after WG announced they're kicking the can down the road on a 25 year old status quo!!
In many ways it's a bloody good job this lot don't know their arse from their elbow....
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
You’re mistaken. Historic payments have already gone (and not before time) in Wales, with all land receiving the same amount now, which is a little over £60/ac.
The last round of CAP reforms, in 2015, brought in redistributive payments so that small farms (<140ac?) got a higher rate. They also brought in capital grants for new entrants under 40, and entitlements allocated to those new entrants from a national reserve.
Of course, some of that money has been snaffled up by sons taking over the family business, but a degree of support for new entrants is certainly there already.
I appreciate that doesn’t make access to land any easier, but I doubt there will be much more support targeting young farmers than what’s already in place currently.
A farm up the road just been sold by Savills, Tesco are going to plant trees on it, £10k an acre.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Daft and get food from abroad allegedly???
Pistonbroke
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Two places about 300 acres each bought for British airways. Chap I know has been asked to quote for fencing the boundaries
This one’s in Crymych, just heard about it half an hour ago!
Should I be cashing out and buying grade1/2 land in the Eastern counties which seems to be the same price?
I'm not mistaken. I'm well aware that the historic element of payments has gone- but the ownership of entitlements however, is still very much dependent upon if you were farming historically (unless you've purchased entitlements, which is a whole other issue). Can remember relatively low value entitlements trading at 2-3 times face value in 2016/17, when there was supposedly only a couple of years left. This continued roll over makes them look very cheap!
And you are right- since 2015 there has been a national reserve for young entrants- with the following rules-
B35 National Reserve Qualifying Criteria – New Entrant Category
B35.1 This category is available to sole traders, partnerships or a Legal Person, e.g. a Limited Company, that started farming in 2019 or later. B35.2 If you wish to be considered for entitlements, you must not have carried out any agricultural activity in your own name or at your own risk in the five years before the start of your current farming activity. (But understandably is there to stop people starting up repeatedly to beat the system)
But it does rule out most start ups, who would be in a similar boat to me, renting parcels from parties renting out but still claiming active farmer status.
As for Capital grants for young entrants- there's been nothing other than Farming Connect advice since. I've failed to qualify for the Farm Business grant, as the business doesn't submit a SAF with 5HA... It will be ten years between the introduction in 2015, and the next possible support in 2025.
But don't get me wrong, I didn't come here to bemoan my own personal situation- it's ridiculous the can keeps on getting kicked down the hill without a decision is the point I wanted to make. Only yesterday Welsh Gov proudly announced on email they've changed the Natural Resources Bulletin email to the Climate Change email to highlight their priorities. When it comes to supporting rural businesses- it seems their priorities are the same as the were in the 1990s.
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Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Big companies are now looking to plant trees to offset their CO2 emissions big time. I mean, British Airways and others are aiming to claim to be 'carbon neutral' in this way as soon as possible. It is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way in the Universe, let alone on Planet Earth that planting a few trees on farmland that already grows crops/grass will offset a fleet of kerosene-guzzling aeroplanes. The whole thing is absolute balls and everyone knows it, yet they go along with it. Apart from anything else they would need to guarantee that the wood that results would never be used as a fuel of any kind but would be of the sort suitable for very long term structural use. Otherwise the CO2 is just recycled into the atmosphere but on a medium term turnover.
The only good things to come out of it is that it takes land out of food production and sets a land price benchmark that allows farmers that wish to, to retire with some capital. I strongly suspect that it is worth a lot more than £10k an acre to them though.
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Pistonbroke
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I think one is llandovery direction. Lad who works for him fencing told me the other day but he isn't certain of the location
Here it is-
Two remote farmhouses for the price of one set in 1,000 acres of countryside
Take a drone tour over the Welsh hills and slice of a river valley up for sale
www.walesonline.co.uk
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Thr labour party made farmers rich by the 1947 act
How many thank them for that or vote for them?
Ancient history. My family only started farming in 1969.
Pistonbroke
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The hardcore labour lot are all anti farmer but they always cockup the economy , the pound drops and exports jump up so they help by accident
- Location
- South Wales UK
They just defer problem on a few years ?
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
I wonder what's propping the Pound up currently? The economy can hardly be more cocked up than currently, unless there is a delayed reaction. That's not normally the case though. So is 'financial easing' or effectively the creation of new money still going on apace? Which itself should normally devalue the Pound. 
I must be missing something.
I must be missing something.
Tubbylew
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- Location
- Herefordshire
Both sides of the house are a hopeless shower of the most useless self serving shite, it'll all get worse before it gets better. Anyway I digress....