Well if you thought it couldn’t get any worse it’s just about to, READ THIS

[Danllan]

Start one yourself then

You quoted my having written: 'You need to be nigh-on obsessive about whatever the cause / party is, because it means the end of family and social life, not some things - I'll be honest enough to admit - that I'm prepared to sacrifice.'

And then wrote: 'Start one yourself then'

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

This is how the UK NFU should operate.

https://www.bondelaget.no/getfile.php/132489-1372414015/MMA/Designelementer%20Mobil/Mat%20og%20landbrukspolitikk/Making%20Norway%20Grow.pdf

Norway has the largest sovereign wealth fund of anywhere in the world. It has extremely high subsidies and the cost of living is eye watering. It has a very small population, less than 5.5 million many of whom are still associated with farming, forestry and fishing. There is still a direct connection between a large part of their population and the land and sea.

We suffer from a population that know little or nothing about food or the countryside.
The work our NFU have done in the last few days over the misreporting of the IPCC report has been excellent.

 

[Hampton]

You quoted my having written: 'You need to be nigh-on obsessive about whatever the cause / party is, because it means the end of family and social life, not some things - I'll be honest enough to admit - that I'm prepared to sacrifice.'

And then wrote: 'Start one yourself then'

Actually I replied to the whole post, not just that bit you’ve chosen to quote

 

[Danllan]

Actually I replied to the whole post, not just that bit you’ve chosen to quote

Actually, it still remains a crap reply...

 

[stroller]

Just listened.
Frank 5, the vegan lady 1.

Can someone put a link on please, I've had a look but not sure what time it was on

 

[delilah]

Can someone put a link on please, I've had a look but not sure what time it was on

sorry don't know how to do links, but it was about 7.45am, radio Kent

 

[Hampton]

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Actually, it still remains a crap reply...

This is childish, I give up. You win, well done

 

[CornishTone]

Best definition of veganism I’ve seen yet I think...

 

[Danllan]

This is childish, I give up. You win, well done

 

[Brisel]

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Actually, it still remains a crap reply...

I agree with @Hampton The NFU might not be perfect but you've yet to come up with a better alternative instead of just criticising them.

 

[Ball acre]

Beginning of the end of beef industry

Good article from Outside Magazine on the rise of "alt-meat": This Is the Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry There’s a famous Gandhi aphorism about how movements progress: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” That was actually written by...

www.veganforum.org

Had a quick look on the dark side.

 

[Henarar]

Beginning of the end of beef industry

Good article from Outside Magazine on the rise of "alt-meat": This Is the Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry There’s a famous Gandhi aphorism about how movements progress: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” That was actually written by...

www.veganforum.org

Had a quick look on the dark side.

looks good
do you think they would let me join if I used the same avatar ?

 

[Ball acre]

looks good
do you think they would let me join if I used the same avatar ?

Go for it. Could be fun

 

[Danllan]

I agree with @Hampton The NFU might not be perfect but you've yet to come up with a better alternative instead of just criticising them.

Let's make sure I understand you (both) correctly... you want me to set up an entirely new organisation to represent farming interests, from scratch and in competition against the establishment-supported NFU and then, and only then, my criticism of the NFU will be valid, is that right?

 

[Henarar]

Let's make sure I understand you (both) correctly... you want me to set up an entirely new organisation to represent farming interests, from scratch and in competition against the establishment-supported NFU and then, and only then, my criticism of the NFU will be valid, is that right?

yep till then best not criticize

 

[Brisel]

Let's make sure I understand you (both) correctly... you want me to set up an entirely new organisation to represent farming interests, from scratch and in competition against the establishment-supported NFU and then, and only then, my criticism of the NFU will be valid, is that right?

You don't have to go as far as that - I want you to at least post how farm PR can be done better with some realistic positive proposals, not just whine at the NFU.

 

[delilah]

You don't have to go as far as that - I want you to at least post how farm PR can be done better with some realistic positive proposals, not just whine at the NFU.

See my posting history, plenty of realistic positive proposals there
I don't think there's many people on here who wish the NFU anything but success in their role. Certainly there's no point in setting up a new organisation. Witness that alternative called farm, set up I think with Zac Goldsmith backing, they didn't stay the course.

 

[Hampton]

See my posting history, plenty of realistic positive proposals there
I don't think there's many people on here who wish the NFU anything but success in their role. Certainly there's no point in setting up a new organisation. Witness that alternative called farm, set up I think with Zac Goldsmith backing, they didn't stay the course.

Thank god for that. Zac Goldsmith is going to be a disaster in Defra. Clueless idiot

 

[Danllan]

You don't have to go as far as that - I want you to at least post how farm PR can be done better with some realistic positive proposals, not just whine at the NFU.

Haven't whined, have commented. Also, in a thread some time ago, we kicked the arse out of this one to the 'nth degree, however...

I think what has to be recognised from the start is that we're discussing peoples' livelihoods and, in some sad cases, their very lives - and, as we know, that isn't melodramatic hyperbole.

That written and the seriousness having been established, there has to be a realisation that we have to play hard and dirty where necessary and do anything legal to get what's best for the industry as a whole and ourselves as individuals. Much more pro-action, much more targeting of those who try to thwart the farming interest and, most importantly, an absolute focus on solidarity being the key to any success - and nothing being allowed to distract from set aims.*

For myself, I'd have the 'leadership' far more accountable and delegatory rather 'representative'; that way when there is a clear majority against or for something it would count. Social media makes this perfectly possible, but those at the top of the NFU are and will be dead against it because it means they can't 'lead' the way - which is another way of saying it would force them to go against the Establishment grain. (and that would mean no 'honours')

In re' PR, specifically, please name and point out the blazing successes of recent (any?) NFU campaigns., and we'll work from there. Again, social media is key here; it is huge, cheap and quick and the NFU don't use it properly.


*I have a huge number of negative points to my character, views and ways - I am married so I have been told and know this to be the case - but with regard to running a farming union in the interests of its members I'd have four superb pluses:

1) I am a republican, so I wouldn't accept or angle for any form of title or honour;

2) I will speak truth to power regardless of how unwanted it may be;

3) I am absolutely straight in business and a red line is the walk away point;

4) I am a democrat and think that votes have to be respected.

But I'd be crap because I'd get bored and would probably want to hit one of many assorted gits.

 

[JP1]