should our deal with usa mean end of red tractor?

Devil's advocate · May 27, 2020

Nithsdale Farmer said:
British farmers 'will go out of business' in UK-US trade deal, Theresa Villiers warns

But when she was Minister she actually wrote the bill she is now critical of.

Weird woman, always banging on about Australlia deal for UK & EU. Australlia does not have a dealwith the EU much as they would love one.

milkloss · May 27, 2020

The RT should be disbanded and a new, sensible system in place to show what statutory laws we comply with. This alone should show our product to be better than some others. This should be run side by side with a campaign to show what is, or likely to be wrong with foreign produce eg nicotinoids (sp?) and other banned chemicals, welfare such as AB use, food miles and slave labour as well as environmental protection in place etc etc.
It should be a clearly informative campaign backed up by facts rather than a smear So the public can make a sensible informed decision or at the very least be shamed into buying better produce EVEN IF IT IS FOREIGN.

chipchap · May 28, 2020

milkloss said:
The RT should be disbanded and a new, sensible system in place to show what statutory laws we comply with. This alone should show our product to be better than some others. This should be run side by side with a campaign to show what is, or likely to be wrong with foreign produce eg nicotinoids (sp?) and other banned chemicals, welfare such as AB use, food miles and slave labour as well as environmental protection in place etc etc.
It should be a clearly informative campaign backed up by facts rather than a smear So the public can make a sensible informed decision or at the very least be shamed into buying better produce EVEN IF IT IS FOREIGN.

But the consumer will buy whichever is cheapest.
I hate farm assurance mind.

yellow belly · May 28, 2020

In answer to the view that we keep producing what ever
then look at the amount of oil seed rape that will be produced this year
half what we did 5 years ago
dairy farming is also on the edge with half the dairy farmers giving up round here

fieldfarmer · May 28, 2020

Drillman said:
Is red tractor still going?

Not heard owt from them for 18 months now! And for my sins we have 2 inspections a year 1 for arable and a separate one for beef.

Not really sure what I’m paying for that is a fact. and as it seems this covid thing isn’t going away anytime soon, on farm inspections have no place in society anymore imo.

Yep still going on, why 2 two inspections we have both done at the same time, ours was done remotely a week ago and as much as i HATE the red tractor cartel it was a better way of doing it, a portal opened for us a week or so be fore our date for us to up load documents , and requested information, then the morning of the virtual "visit " we get a "zoom" log in thingy and before you know it you are walking round the yard and cattle ect holding your phone up like a proper tool. He will tell you where to go and what to show in more detail then back to the office just like before lock down but he will be on a computer screen going through stuff with you holding things up for him to see rather than him sat there eating all the chocolate hobnobbs.

shakerator · May 28, 2020

red tractor can be "packed in uk"

lovingly re washed in chlorine free water

Scholsey · May 28, 2020

milkloss said:
The RT should be disbanded and a new, sensible system in place to show what statutory laws we comply with. This alone should show our product to be better than some others. This should be run side by side with a campaign to show what is, or likely to be wrong with foreign produce eg nicotinoids (sp?) and other banned chemicals, welfare such as AB use, food miles and slave labour as well as environmental protection in place etc etc.
It should be a clearly informative campaign backed up by facts rather than a smear So the public can make a sensible informed decision or at the very least be shamed into buying better produce EVEN IF IT IS FOREIGN.

Some of us seem to think the only way we can survive is to force people into eat our produce by not allowing imports whilst we enjoy imported soya, tractors, robotic milkers etc.

How many of us buy a manitou or a Merlo because they are 5-10k cheaper than a JCB or X tonne of Pulan N........I think if the doors were open either way so we can exportwith the same tariffs as imports we would prosper as long as we maintain our high quality and standards.

steveR · May 28, 2020

chipchap said:
But the consumer will buy whichever is cheapest.
I hate farm assurance mind.

To an extent, yes,. But as other have said it is the processors who need pushing at, along with the big retailers. Once food is in an anonymous box... who know where it comes from. Some supermarkets are better than others on this score already. The Germans, being a case in point, along with Morrisons.

kiwi pom · May 28, 2020

Scholsey said:
Some of us seem to think the only way we can survive is to force people into eat our produce by not allowing imports whilst we enjoy imported soya, tractors, robotic milkers etc.

How many of us buy a manitou or a Merlo because they are 5-10k cheaper than a JCB or X tonne of Pulan N........I think if the doors were open either way so we can exportwith the same tariffs as imports we would prosper as long as we maintain our high quality and standards.

UK Ag exports quite a bit too doesn't it? Ban imports then will you be able to export?

colhonk · May 28, 2020

milkloss said:
The RT should be disbanded and a new, sensible system in place

EXACTLY

I would possibly rejoin if so

Barleymow · May 28, 2020

fieldfarmer said:
Yep still going on, why 2 two inspections we have both done at the same time, ours was done remotely a week ago and as much as i HATE the red tractor cartel it was a better way of doing it, a portal opened for us a week or so be fore our date for us to up load documents , and requested information, then the morning of the virtual "visit " we get a "zoom" log in thingy and before you know it you are walking round the yard and cattle ect holding your phone up like a proper tool. He will tell you where to go and what to show in more detail then back to the office just like before lock down but he will be on a computer screen going through stuff with you holding things up for him to see rather than him sat there eating all the chocolate hobnobbs.

I did my red tractor last week via WhatsApp showed various forms as requested ,easier than on farm one

JP1 · May 28, 2020

colhonk said:
EXACTLY

I would possibly rejoin if so

Be careful what you wish for ............

Full of bull(s) · May 28, 2020

Would a better way of battling the inevitable be when this stuff comes across launch a campaign outing all products that contain the stuff so the public know? The recent Polish beef debacle has shown that even if its on the shelf if nobody buys it it’s not there for long. It’s only a month ago, they reduced the price on the shelf and still it didn’t sell after the campaign on social media. Now ABP, the firm that imported it to keep a lid on prices is desperate for cattle leading the lift in price. I bet Sainsbury’s or Asda won’t be stocking Polish for a while if it lost them money. Don’t harass the public pleading poverty it hasn’t worked for years. None of this needs RT of course, so they are still irrelevant

Clive · May 28, 2020

thorpe said:
should our deal with usa mean end of red tractor?

actually i think it suddenly makes red tractor very important ........... you were not expecting me to say that we’re you !!!

HOWEVER (a big however). NOT in its current flawed form

ollie989898 · May 28, 2020

Frank-the-Wool said:
Or will it become a valuable tool to protect our market!!

I am afraid that has never been the case. It's a jobsworth scheme that makes money for someone other than farmers.

Widgetone · May 28, 2020

The Americans will no doubt have a green and yellow tractor scheme with an 'America First' logo to boot.
Just for the Limey market..

Drillman · May 28, 2020

Clive said:
actually i think it suddenly makes red tractor very important ........... you were not expecting me to say that we’re you !!!

HOWEVER (a big however). NOT in its current flawed form

CLean sheet of paper looking at things that matter not a paper pushing exercise that has no point or value to it.

Jackov Altraids · May 29, 2020

Things are going to change significantly but it is impossible to predict with many possible outcomes.
I think the days of 'Red Tractor' are probably numbered anyway. It involves a lot of bulls**t and expense to basically show its members are [probably] not breaking the law.
Every contract offering a premium asks for more than red tractor.
You can't escape from the simple fact that increased standards are directly related to increased costs. Ultimately, as always, the farmer will not benefit and the consumer will still by on price.

It could feasibly be the saviour of British farming if all imports have to meet the same standard or be subject to an extra tariff.

I also think that there is a potential for British Farming to boom in a 'free-er' market. We really seem to underestimate the way trade in the UK is currently distorted in that the price of our produce and inputs is controlled by a few vested interests.

Lowland1 · May 29, 2020

We export French Beans to the U.K we are subjected to both Global GAP and the individual supermarkets codes of practice and we are audited by the Kenyan goverment , we cannot use chemicals with no registration in U.K we cannot use chemicals registered in U.K for our crops but not registered in Kenya . 10% of all our exports are tested both on Farm and on arrival in U.K. Then the customer does further checks.
From my experience it is unlikely that any retailer would be keen to put anything that will bring bad publicity on them remember Tesco and horsemeat.
If U.K produce is better advertise the fact and let the public choose Just remember the public should have the same choice when choosing food as farmers do when buying cars or machinery. If the red tractor gives the U.K a marketing advantage then keep it. But i am baffled by people thinking that products that are illegal to produce in the U.K will be allowed into the U.K under a trade agreement. If American cars come without brakes can they be imported.

Suffolk Serf · May 29, 2020

Lowland1 said:
We export French Beans to the U.K we are subjected to both Global GAP and the individual supermarkets codes of practice and we are audited by the Kenyan goverment , we cannot use chemicals with no registration in U.K we cannot use chemicals registered in U.K for our crops but not registered in Kenya . 10% of all our exports are tested both on Farm and on arrival in U.K. Then the customer does further checks.
From my experience it is unlikely that any retailer would be keen to put anything that will bring bad publicity on them remember Tesco and horsemeat.
If U.K produce is better advertise the fact and let the public choose Just remember the public should have the same choice when choosing food as farmers do when buying cars or machinery. If the red tractor gives the U.K a marketing advantage then keep it. But i am baffled by people thinking that products that are illegal to produce in the U.K will be allowed into the U.K under a trade agreement. If American cars come without brakes can they be imported.

But a car with crap brakes is a car with crap brakes and patently dangerous.
Beef produced using hormone implants and feed additives that are illegal here is still a tasty bit of beef.

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