What % of U.K. farmers are TFF members ?????

Steevo · Mar 7, 2021

Two Tone said:
I was disgusted yesterday on the news to see an advertising slogan on a billboard van asking if nurses wages rise worth £350 is all we consider good enough!
Deliberately forgetting to point out that this is on top of the £35,000 they already get.

Nursing is a job just like everybody else's is. Most of the rest of us will get no pay rises at all. Nurses aren't the only heroes that the Covid crisis has created!

The billboard ad I saw on tv was this:

£3.50 a week is £182 a year extra. If that’s 1% more that’s assuming an £18,200 salary. Sounds low for a nurses salary to me - I’d be surprised if it was typical or average. A small minority perhaps.

I thought it was sad they were paying for billboard ads for this.

unlacedgecko · Mar 7, 2021

Hindsight said:
Mistress(es)?

When a man marries his mistress it creates a job vacancy.

Cowabunga · Mar 8, 2021

Steevo said:
£3.50 a week is £182 a year extra. If that’s 1% more that’s assuming an £18,200 salary. Sounds low for a nurses salary to me - I’d be surprised if it was typical or average. A small minority perhaps.

I thought it was sad they were paying for billboard ads for this.

The starting salary for a newly qualified nurse is £25k. The average salary is somewhere between £33k and £35k. Not sure whether that includes night shift allowance or any overtime.

From https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/bl...-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/#starting

As already mentioned, newly qualified Nurses enter the workforce at Band 5.

The salary ranges at each banding beyond this level are:

• Band 6: £31,365 to £37,890

• Band 7: £38,890 to £44,503

• Band 8: £45,753 to £87,754

• Band 9: £91,004 to £104,927

The upper ranges of each banding are achieved by performing the role within that banding for a certain number of years.

How do you increase your salary?
As an NHS Nurse, your salary will increase as you gain more years of experience within your particular pay band.

However, those incremental increases stop when you reach the top of your banding – and the only increase that could apply is an inflationary one.

The other way to increase your earnings is to move into a higher banding.

This can only be achieved by applying for a new role within that banding, which in itself will normally require gaining further qualifications.

This might be possible from courses that can fit around your existing job.

However, in some circumstances you may need to complete some specialist study or a Master’s Degree.

Trusts will often be willing to fund this.

The daily rates of pay for Nurses who work through agencies or NHS Trust banks can be quite high – much higher, in some cases, than the daily pay of a permanently employed Nurse.

These spikes in pay happen because the NHS is overstretched, and hospitals often desperately need Nurses at short notice

Steevo · Mar 8, 2021

Cowabunga said:
The starting salary for a newly qualified nurse is £25k. The average salary is somewhere between £33k and £35k. Not sure whether that includes night shift allowance or any overtime.

From https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/bl...-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/#starting

As already mentioned, newly qualified Nurses enter the workforce at Band 5.

The salary ranges at each banding beyond this level are:

• Band 6: £31,365 to £37,890

• Band 7: £38,890 to £44,503

• Band 8: £45,753 to £87,754

• Band 9: £91,004 to £104,927

The upper ranges of each banding are achieved by performing the role within that banding for a certain number of years.

How do you increase your salary?
As an NHS Nurse, your salary will increase as you gain more years of experience within your particular pay band.

However, those incremental increases stop when you reach the top of your banding – and the only increase that could apply is an inflationary one.

The other way to increase your earnings is to move into a higher banding.

This can only be achieved by applying for a new role within that banding, which in itself will normally require gaining further qualifications.

This might be possible from courses that can fit around your existing job.

However, in some circumstances you may need to complete some specialist study or a Master’s Degree.

Trusts will often be willing to fund this.

The daily rates of pay for Nurses who work through agencies or NHS Trust banks can be quite high – much higher, in some cases, than the daily pay of a permanently employed Nurse.

These spikes in pay happen because the NHS is overstretched, and hospitals often desperately need Nurses at short notice

Thank you for that info. Taking those figures, any idea how they work out the £3.50 a week is 1% pay rise?

Steevo · Mar 8, 2021

Found it:

Cowabunga · Mar 8, 2021

Steevo said:
Thank you for that info. Taking those figures, any idea how they work out the £3.50 a week is 1% pay rise?

It is just one more piece of crap put out in the media daily.
As I said previously, it is the auxiliary nurses but particularly the ancillary staff in hospitals that are low paid, not qualified full time nurses.

Cowabunga · Mar 8, 2021

Steevo said:
Found it:
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They don't stay on the starting salary for long. They can gain additional pay through both time and from gaining additional on the job training for all kinds of things. They can increase in the bands and through the bands.
I mean, it is not a highly paid job by some standards but in West Wales it is one of the better paying jobs available and with promotion opportunities, believe me. All the better paying jobs are in the public sector, along with the holidays and pensions. In cities, no doubt they are further down the salary pecking order. I'm not begrudging them their pay, only putting it into perspective.
Yes, the claim in the ad did pee me off. It is disingenuous and misleading.

FonterraFarmer · Mar 8, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
You need one of the magic Treasury calculators.

You know, the one that finds only 1% rise is affordable for Nurses but £100Bn for HS2 offers a good rate of return.........

Must have gone to the same play centre as our Minister of Finance, margin of discrepancy = +/- 100%!!!

Hilly · Mar 8, 2021

Two Tone said:
There doesn’t appear to be any sh!t or shots flying your way, does there?
Probably because most if not everybody agrees with you.

I’d like to think so , but I think most frightened to say anything against the nhs theses days , a run away train and everyone is scared to run after it and stop it .

Bald Rick · Mar 8, 2021

Hilly said:
I’d like to think so , but I think most frightened to say anything against the nhs theses days , a run away train and everyone is scared to run after it and stop it .

One thing you do notice when there are general bits of TV film in hospitals is the amount of overweight & obese staff.
Statistically I wonder if this represents the norm or above the norm?

Tell them, Norm ...

Ffermer Bach · Mar 8, 2021

Derrick Hughes said:
The British Farming Forum have a really good page on Facebook. Lot of traffic. Its like the m25 at rush hour . This one is like the back road to Bethania [emoji23]

The thing I like about the Farming Forum, is, when people disagree, they argue and debate (generally!) and are not abusive. Facebook, people are abusive if they disagree and you get lots of absolutely stupid comments too (along the lines of: problems with people walking on on fields, answers, shoot them!), so, all in all TFF thumbs up, Facebook thumbs down.

Ffermer Bach · Mar 8, 2021

Bald Rick said:
One thing you do notice when there are general bits of TV film in hospitals is the amount of overweight & obese staff.
Statistically I wonder if this represents the norm or above the norm?

Tell them, Norm ...

I read in the paper, we are the third or fourth fattest country in the world (fattest large country in Europe) and we have the third or fourth highest death rate from Covid in the world too. I think there is a correlation. I think the UK has a very poor food culture and we eat too much ready made or pre prepared meals, and too much sugar and carbs. If you shop in Tesco, there is a tiny amount of ingredients, but loads of pre prepared meals. How we deal with that, I am not sure.

Bald Rick · Mar 8, 2021

Bald Rick said:
One thing you do notice when there are general bits of TV film in hospitals is the amount of overweight & obese staff.
Statistically I wonder if this represents the norm or above the norm?

Tell them, Norm ...

Norm has come up trumps (well Google actually and there is a wealth of info on fat shaming NHS staff btw) ........

NHS directly employs 1.2m [I assume England and not UK as a whole?]
of which
300,000 would be classed as "obese"
400,000 would be classed as "overweight"
(source: Dept of Health)

That's a flabby dossy 58%

Derrick Hughes · Mar 8, 2021

Ffermer Bach said:
The thing I like about the Farming Forum, is, when people disagree, they argue and debate (generally!) and are not abusive. Facebook, people are abusive if they disagree and you get lots of absolutely stupid comments too (along the lines of: problems with people walking on on fields, answers, shoot them!), so, all in all TFF thumbs up, Facebook thumbs down.

Again thats not my experience
You don't get cliques forming on Facebook the same as you do on Forums , a clique can be very off putting to a new poster

holwellcourtfarm · Mar 8, 2021

Hilly said:
nhs theses days is a run away train and everyone is scared to run after it and stop it

Now that I DO agree with.

It's become far too bloated and too much of a political plaything.

Surely it should be run on clinical need, not the current political fad targets.

I don't begrudge doctor's, nurses and support staff a good wage but the waste within the NHS and abuse of it by inappropriate use is a big problem.

Hilly · Mar 8, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Now that I DO agree with.

It's become far too bloated and too much of a political plaything.

Surely it should be run on clinical need, not the current political fad targets.

I don't begrudge doctor's, nurses and support staff a good wage but the waste within the NHS and abuse of it by inappropriate use is a big problem.

I don’t know , I’ve always thought small charges would cut out a lot of the free loading , I think serial nhs abusers are a problem they abuse the system because it’s free , I don’t think it’s sustainable in the long term current form, just spoilt by people abusing it on both sides .

Chae1 · Mar 8, 2021

Derrick Hughes said:
Again thats not my experience
You don't get cliques forming on Facebook the same as you do on Forums , a clique can be very off putting to a new poster

Don't know what you mean by cliques?

There are people that share the same opinion.

The holistic and farmer Roy threads sometimes feel like there laughing at the rest of us not doing the same as them. At least there doing it in a open forum and not behind our backs in private chats. Maybe they are.

Ive put some of them on ignore as fed up of there hollier than thou attitudes.

Hilly · Mar 8, 2021

Chae1 said:
Don't know what you mean by cliques?

There are people that share the same opinion.

The holistic and farmer Roy threads sometimes feel like there laughing at the rest of us not doing the same as them. At least there doing it in a open forum and not behind our backs in private chats. Maybe they are.

Ive put some of them on ignore as fed up of there hollier than thou attitudes.

Let them laugh , he who laughs last laughs longest ! A person laughing at another because they don’t do them same as them show them self up to be exactly the sort of person to avoid .

Chae1 · Mar 8, 2021

Hilly said:
I don’t know , I’ve always thought small charges would cut out a lot of the free loading , I think serial nhs abusers are a problem they abuse the system because it’s free , I don’t think it’s sustainable in the long term current form, just spoilt by people abusing it on both sides .

When I was in hospital last year I noticed a couple of guys exactly as you describe above. Totally working the system. Really annoyed me.

egbert · Mar 8, 2021

Ffermer Bach said:
The thing I like about the Farming Forum, is, when people disagree, they argue and debate (generally!) and are not abusive. Facebook, people are abusive if they disagree and you get lots of absolutely stupid comments too (along the lines of: problems with people walking on on fields, answers, shoot them!), so, all in all TFF thumbs up, Facebook thumbs down.

well....until you say you're not especially enamoured of Lim cattle. Don't try that.

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Up to 25%

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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