Cars overtaking while waiting to turn right

Pennine Ploughing · Jul 21, 2021

HatsOff said:
Rule 167:

"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled"

Although whether that counts as 'law', I don't know.

Putting your indicators on, does not give you right of way, whether it be traffic from in front or behind ,
In the case of turning right in the OP post, even if he was indicating as he said he was, he has to give way to passage of traffic from both directions

kiwi pom · Jul 21, 2021

hoff135 said:
Seems like we are all seeing the same thing. Tank has a led warning becon in the middle at the top which i was told to keep on all the time. Just wonder sometimes if these Amber light flashing all the time only distract from indicators. Been in situations myself behind highway maintenence vehicles that were covered in warning lights and you would nearly miss the indicator when he put it on.

Big sight turning right would be good. Not so handy when you had to go all the way over the right hand lane to then come back across to your left to get in a gate on that side. Thats rant for another day

There's your problem, those stupid beacons flashing away annoy and confuse drivers behind you and you're right some of them are that bright they distract you from the indicators.
Don't need them unless you're on a dual carriageway do you?

kiwi pom · Jul 21, 2021

Years ago I had a motorbike overtake a line of cars and me as I was trying to turn right into a narrow gate with a tractor and silage trailer. The bike hit the front tractor wheel and the rider carried on alone before landing in the ditch.
Witnesses told plod I was indicating and the bike decided to overtake at the last minute. The police said it wasn't my fault, the rider survived but broke some bone., Turns out he was on his way back from the bikes first service and was giving it its first thrashing.
Years later I believe he did get a payout from my bosses insurance even though it was his fault. :scratchhead:

Exfarmer · Jul 21, 2021

Its not just tractors, my daughter was hit while turning right in her car, there were at least 3 cars behind her waiting as she waited forbtraffic to clear, then as she turned a car decided to overtake the lot and hit her car hard, luckily nobody was injured. Car was not a write off as it was nearly new but needed several thousand to correct .4 weeks later she picked up her car and a week later virtually the same thing happened, this time writing off the car.
She was lucky both times cars behind witnessed and stayed about to give statement.

PSQ · Jul 21, 2021

Werzle said:
Not always possible to straddle the white line when you need as much of the turning width as possible to get around into gateways

You need to make sure your gateways are suitable for the 2020's, not the 1820's.

hoff135 · Jul 21, 2021

kiwi pom said:
There's your problem, those stupid beacons flashing away annoy and confuse drivers behind you and you're right some of them are that bright they distract you from the indicators.
Don't need them unless you're on a dual carriageway do you?

Don't think so no. Will maybe run without the one on the back of the tank and see if it helps.

Jim75 · Jul 21, 2021

hoff135 said:
Don't think so no. Will maybe run without the one on the back of the tank and see if it helps.

if your lights are anything like the one the other side of the firth nothing you can do they’re bright as bright can be. Just plenty of plonkers on the A9 just now. There’s a Malcolm NH runs up and down the road with a low loader with double lights right next to the indicators bloody dangerous where they are.

Oliveau · Jul 21, 2021

I believe Sir Lewis had this problem on Sunday! Unfortubnately we live in a modern [not better] world where the general consensus is "It's only a tractor. Bloody farmers."

Hard Graft · Jul 21, 2021

Farm on one off the few straight a road
Had my car rear ended turning right in one drive and also turnig left in to farm lane via a side road the road doubles back so you have to slow right down to a Cawl ( sprayer won’t do it it 2wS)

JWL · Jul 21, 2021

Not turning right at the time but just trundling along in traffic in a tractor a few years ago approaching some report traffic lights on what was the A49 South of Warwick when some blood doner decided he was overtaking the lot of us, at least 20 vehicles.
When he got about 4 cars in front of me he met the 44 tonner that had cleared the lights and was just starting to pick up speed. They stopped level with me and the Rover 814 was parked in the front of the artic, the rear parcel shelf was level with the windscreen of the lorry. It didn't take long for him to stop screaming.........

davidroberts30 · Jul 21, 2021

Is it not just me then that watches the mirror then sees how far the d**kh**d can bounce over the kerb/verge /hedge when the front wheel crosses the white line and they realise they are in the sh!t

Mark C · Jul 21, 2021

principal skinner said:
Local firms school coach did this this afternoon to me, waiting to turn right and he overtook and oncoming traffic had to stop to avoid a collision. Said firm had a very very irate phone call from me.

The orange ones ?

Aspiring Peasants · Jul 22, 2021

Neighbour was turning into a field with a bale trailer last week. The turn was left but he had to swing out to the right to get in while still indicating left. Some joker undertook him !

Sid · Jul 22, 2021

Aspiring Peasants said:
Neighbour was turning into a field with a bale trailer last week. The turn was left but he had to swing out to the right to get in while still indicating left. Some joker undertook him !

We have to turn off main road, yes we do have them with white lines in Devon, onto a side road between farms.

If they don't try to undertake you they decide to over take at speed on a busy 4 Crossway. Muppets

kiwi pom · Jul 22, 2021

hoff135 said:
Don't think so no. Will maybe run without the one on the back of the tank and see if it helps.

Good idea, its serving no purpose anyway, other than potentially dazzling people.
Its not just tractors that have problems when turning right into driveways. I've had people over take many times when turning into paddocks and farm drives, whilst driving a HGV
People just don't expect a vehicle to turn if there's no road junction, you have to assume someone will try it and drive accordingly.

Bobthebuilder · Jul 22, 2021

Only thing you can do is to make sure your kit is legal for the road and all brakes,lights and warning devices are clean and working, then at least if some idiot does hit you then your covered

principal skinner · Jul 22, 2021

Mark C said:
The orange ones ?

Yep you got it!

Ffermer Bach · Jul 22, 2021

hoff135 said:
Seems like we are all seeing the same thing. Tank has a led warning becon in the middle at the top which i was told to keep on all the time. Just wonder sometimes if these Amber light flashing all the time only distract from indicators. Been in situations myself behind highway maintenence vehicles that were covered in warning lights and you would nearly miss the indicator when he put it on.

Big sign turning right would be good. Not so handy when you had to go all the way over the right hand lane to then come back across to your left to get in a gate on that side. Thats rant for another day

I agree, I think too many flashing lights stops people noticing the indicators, like having trailers with an LED warning light on the back.

Ffermer Bach · Jul 22, 2021

PSQ said:
You need to make sure your gateways are suitable for the 2020's, not the 1820's.

can you widen a gateway onto an A road without needing to get permission?

Boysground · Jul 22, 2021

I can get nowhere on the farm without driving on the A36, overtaking in stupid places is a weekly occurrence. The usual spot is a right turn on the top of a hill. Where they overtake there is not enough visibility to see anything coming at speed from the other direction.

I’ve been hit twice over the years, taken to court by a bus company that thought their bus hitting the back of my tractor was my fault, they lost.

The other thing that happens here is people thinking that an indicator turning left is a signal to overtake. Even if something is coming from the other direction.

I agree with @kiwi pom, beacons don’t help. It’s a white noise of flashing amber that people ignore. I tend to only use them if there’s something thats awkward on the road, the plough for instance.

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