Timbo
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Discovery 4 engine seized
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grainboy
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Don’t know what the problem is,
Bought Discovery 4 commercial 3yrs ago, with 22000 miles on it, just coming up to 100,000, booked in for its belt change next week,
All it’s cost over the 80,000, is Gear selection knob, and front arms,
But I change oil every 10,000,miles, and after 9 pickups of different makes over the years, it’s the best drive and tow of them all,
Show me a vehicle that doesn’t have problems,
Nissan, Merc, Ranger, transit, Isuzu, Mitsubishi,
Bought Discovery 4 commercial 3yrs ago, with 22000 miles on it, just coming up to 100,000, booked in for its belt change next week,
All it’s cost over the 80,000, is Gear selection knob, and front arms,
But I change oil every 10,000,miles, and after 9 pickups of different makes over the years, it’s the best drive and tow of them all,
Show me a vehicle that doesn’t have problems,
Nissan, Merc, Ranger, transit, Isuzu, Mitsubishi,
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
Now youve jinxed it.
grainboy
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- Bedfordshire
Mmmm, that’s what I thought after I posted,
Couldn’t agree more they all have problems but a snapped crankshaft is pretty major on a vehicle costing twice or three times as much . Mine snapped at 85000 miles main dealer just laughed at me. it’s the attitude and gullible people that’s the trouble lovely vehicle mined . I replaced it with an isusu pick up ok so far fingers crossed.
grainboy
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Good luck with Isuzu,
But built out of paper thin tin, and Dpf issues. And gutless,
Well mine was, !!
But built out of paper thin tin, and Dpf issues. And gutless,
Well mine was, !!
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
1500 rpm is commonly the point below which forces become unstable when engines are lugged. All my automatic cars change down a ratio to keep the revs at 1500 as a minimum under any significant load.
Yes they are a cheap (£22.5k)tinny pickup what does its job well can tow 3.5 tone up a motorway at 60+ which is a lot better than my 90 defender did .the disco could do it too . I’ll can service it my self when out of warranty couldn’t with disco or not easily.I hope the Isuzu will do ten years + the disco certainly didn’t and was costing about £1000 a year to keep on the road.but time will tell
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- Lincolnshire
Yes still here, with 72K on it, just needed a new alternator last month, otherwise its just been brake pads all round. I did have a look at the last new ones on sale but none had the spec I have... seems it was loaded with nearly every option. I looked for heated and cooled seats but non did so kept the old one.
I have no idea what I would replace it with, dont want a Land rover badge (dont like walking!) or a VAG car, Merc and Audi are for disabled drivers who cant move an indicator stalk, and the top Ford Kuga is a bit of a backward step
Ploughmaster
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Judging from the constant catalogue of (albeit relatively minor) problems that someone I know is having with an Amarok, I wouldn't be too confident. He is a fairly died-in-the-wool VW fan, but regularly refers to it being the most problematic vehicle he has had (and it replaced a Disco which rarely had anything wrong with it - he keeps threatening to out the Amarok in exchange for used Disco, but hasn't actually happened yet).
I recall a farm manager that I worked under several years ago had a Mk1 facelift Disco from new - it never had a thing go wrong with it, yet a local haulier who bought one about the same time and it seemed to spend more time in the dealers workshop than on his drive.
The problem with serious faults is all those who suffer from them shout loudly about it and give the impression that it is every example of that model; people with vehicles that don't go wrong never shout about that
Water is an inevitable product of the combustion of fossil fuels - the idea that diesel engines don't produce water vapour as part of the combustion process is risible.
They produce a lot less obvious condensation than (mainly older) petrol engines because among other things, the amount of fuel used is less, so there is less combustion product produced) and they operate at a lower temperature - vapour from a much hotter petrol engine will condense more noticeably because of the much larger temperature difference compared with ambient air it is discharged into.
On older engines, diesel exhaust internals become protected from condensation by a layer of soot build-up.
I am of the opinion that they don't have one
The important thing to bear in mind is whether you could take the money that you would spent on the repair, add to it the scrap value of the failed vehicle (which is pretty much all it would be worth as a non-runner with a big repair bill hanging over it) and purchase another suitable replacement vehicle which you could be confident in being at least as reliable as the existing vehicle would be once repaired.
In most cases, you probably couldn't.
It is 10 years or 100k miles from the date you purchase it (which may be second hand with any possible number of miles already on the clock). That is where the 'unlimited' bit comes in - you could buy one with 20k, 50k or 100k already on the clock, you would still get a further 100k under the warranty.
Here you go with the brexit nonsense again - the EU is only a small part of JLRs worldwide sales. For a start they sell around the same number of vehicles in the USA as they do in the whole of the EU.
If exports to the EU were blocked off completely, it would be a dent in their sales, but isn't going to kill the company or the factory off - that is more likely to happen as a result of costly warranty repairs on the legacy components left in their vehicles from the Ford owned years. I would say also due to plummeting sales due to the damage done to their reputation by these persistant faults, but in reality, it doesn't seem to matter as people still keep buying them.
I don't think the normal human lifespan is long enough to be able to wear a HiLux engine out - I often think that Toyota could save themselves a lot of production costs by buying back the HiLux engines that find their way into scrapyards worldwide, and fit them to the new vehicles coming down the production line - I am sure they would outlast two or three vehicles.
Had a boss back in the eighties who swapped a Range Rover for one of the early Troopers - he always referred to it as 'the biscuit tin'
It beats me And fair enough but all the people on here defending a disco because there’s haven’t been any bother and totally reliable. but with a good design and good workmanship and the cost they are they should be totally reliable all of them. and they are quite simply not. it’s just a mugs game but nice capable vehicle they are.
warksfarmer
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Well I’m on my 3rd Amarok and other than a dpf issue on the 2nd which was sorted under warranty I’ve had zero issues. My only qualm is I get through a set of tyres per year. They are by far the best truck on the road and that’s coming from somebody who’s had Hilux, l200, navaras and currently also a ranger.
LR however in our experience of 4 discoveries and 2 range rovers are utter shite. Every single one of them from the very first 3 door disco have had the same issues based around electrics, radiators and gearboxes. Not had an engine seize to be fair but we’ve not had a LR product now since 2012 I think and wouldn’t ever have one again I doubt. If we did it would certainly be leased so we didn’t own it. I was also on one of the test groups for the new defenders for 3 years and what I saw showed me nothing has changed within. They pump out poorly made products off the back of very clever marketing making the badge a status symbol, when in reality all they are doing is shafting people with over priced rubbish.
Ploughmaster
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You saying that is no different from those who have had fault free Land Rover products saying so.
But for some warped reason, the Land Rover owners are accused of defending the indefensible, whilst anyone who is critical of VAG products effectively gets told they are wrong or that they are making it up. It's a bit like having a 'discussion' with a left-wing socialist.
ll I can say is that the Amarok that I mentioned has proved very unreliable, and uses engine oil at a frightening rate (dealer dismisses it as 'normal'). By contrast, near neighbour has one which like yours is pretty reliable for the most part.
And it took you six vehicles (and how many years) before you reached that conclusion. If they were that bad, surely you would have moved on after two bad experiences at most?
warksfarmer
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Proper LR fans are blinded so put up with issues and forget them as they walk into the dealership. They all had issues but just don’t care to report them. I’ve genuinely had no issues with 3 amaroks
other than the one dpf. If they were crap I wouldn’t still have one now. That said I’m not keen on the Ford/VW joint replacement especially if using the LR V6. I’m due to change mine next year but I think it might be staying at this rate because there’s nothing to replace it with. As for glutton for punishment with LR …….. yep wanted to be in the LR club until we saw sense. I’ve no way of defending they very stupid decisions. Also not all my own vehicles so there was 3 other drivers who all had input into their own vehicle choice.
Ploughmaster
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Here you go again!Proper LR fans are blinded so put up with issues and forget them as they walk into the dealership. They all had issues but just don’t care to report them. I’ve genuinely had no issues with 3 amaroks
As for glutton for punishment with LR …….. yep wanted to be in the LR club until we saw sense. I’ve no way of defending they very stupid decisions. Also not all my own vehicles so there was 3 other drivers who all had input into their own vehicle choice.
So my tale of a reliable Discovery is discounted as untrue because "LR fans are blinded", but your tales are true because you say so.
Both the tales that I related are 100% true, and no, I am not a Land Rover 'fan', but I get sick of some people who see everything British as crap regardless of whether it is or not, but are so blinkered they deny any faults which occur with anything supposedly 'German' .
And by the way, it isn't a "Land Rover V6", it is a Ford one (jointly developed with PSA).
Paddington
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My first two LR products were actually British, built by those stalwarts in Solihull, so Friday afternoon jobs and dodgy wiring were taken into account and of course they rusted. My Disco 1 was a Ford, they've made millions of cars so must have got everything sorted ? Still rusted badly and if the radio stopped working, the rattles behind the dashboard would keep you company. Disco 2 was a BMW, but still had water leaks and rust. Buy a LR product now and it's Indian with a large part owned by China and could be built in Slovakia. I'd love to buy a D3, but only if it was made by Toyota.
warksfarmer
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And I can say here you go again. A LR pant wearing fan that only has had a great experience and never any negatives with the brand.
It’s not just LR that I think are terrible. Mitsubishi was horrendous to drive as was Hilux. I’d never have them again.
Ploughmaster
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Interesting that you went from a 'Ford' Discovery, to an earlier 'BMW' Discovery? Rust has been a real problem on Discoverys.
Only the Defender and Discovery are built in Slovakia (apart from the Discovery Sport, which is built at Halewood).
There is no Chinese ownership involved in Tata Motors. It is 100% Indian owned.
Please do not insult me by accusing me of being a"LR pant wearing fan". I am not by any means a fan at all. I have never owned one and never wanted one. You are clearly reading posts and seeing what you want to see without taking them in.
To me, insults are the preserve of people unable to formulate a coherent argument. Just because you appear unable to cope with anyone having a differing viewpoint from your own. You may well have had no problem with your Amaroks, but I do know someone who has continual issues (albeit mostly minor). Likewise your poor experience with Land Rover doesn't alter the fact that there are people out there who have never had any serious problems with theirs.
i read the other day JLR have 208000 vehicles on pre order
Skintagain
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Some might not want them now their mortgages have jumped