How does fendts dpf work ?

Really? They are fitted when new to all TierIV applications. Is it because they have been illegally disabled or removed?
Tier 4b with Hi-eSCR , no dpf and no egr
 

Cowabunga

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Tier 4b with Hi-eSCR , no dpf and no egr
CNH engines are excellent but they must surely consume far more Adblue than most rivals? This must be better than having to sit idle while others manually regenerate their DPF every so often.
I wonder how they reduce particulate emissions by 90% over tierlll engines without resorting to DPF and without compromising fast engine reaction time?
 
Tier 4b with Hi-eSCR , no dpf and no egr
That's an article from 2015 and at that time i think cnh thought they could meet the requirements for t4b with no dpf or egr. I'm fairly sure that in fact they do have a dpf though (or they may call it a doc) and i think they may have egr.
I may be wrong but I'm not sure that even if not required to get the emissions down that the regs for t4b mandated having a combination of egr scr and dpf.
 

# Robin

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Tier 4b with Hi-eSCR , no dpf and no egr
Yes you’re right on previous models, but since stageV (in 2020) I think everyone has a DPF as well, just 2 different strategies on how to regen
 
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Yes you’re right on previous models, but since stageV (in 2020) I think everyone has a DPF as well, just 2 different strategies on how to regen
I'm not sure they have a DPF even now at Tier 5 level and seem to be using higher level of Selective Catalytic Reduction.
 

balerman

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You’ve got me curious about this on all tractors with DPF’s. Why would they require a forced regeneration? I’ve run diesel cars and pickups for years and never needed a forced or static regeneration. They just do the regen automatically while working.

Is this a common service issue, to have to stop to do a forced regen? I ask partly because my silage contractor bought a new JD tractor a couple of years ago and I remember it having a forced regen during lunchtime. It was particularly notable because it was stood there, roaring away, not doing any work while creating heat, on my fuel. :poop::eek:
CNH tier 5 tractors need to do it as well.Was caught out with mine the other day,it does a passive burn every 30-40 hours during which you carry on working.
It is recommended at every 750 hour service you do an active
burn,which takes roughly an hour when parked up.This releases all the soot gathered up in the last 750 hrs (better for the environment than slow releasing all the time,what a load of b*llox).
Problem with mine,I did the service myself so it didn’t get its active burn,hence going into limp mode until dealer came out and made it do a burn.
Only a problem on a basic model,on a higher spec one with armrest or keypad you can force it to do a burn without laptop.
What a ridiculous situation we find ourselves in!!!
 

balerman

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I'm not sure they have a DPF even now at Tier 5 level and seem to be using higher level of Selective Catalytic Reduction.
CNH engines do have a DPF now since tier 5,but do use less adblu than the previous generation.
 
CNH engines do have a DPF now since tier 5,but do use less adblu than the previous generation.
CNH tier 5 tractors need to do it as well.Was caught out with mine the other day,it does a passive burn every 30-40 hours during which you carry on working.
It is recommended at every 750 hour service you do an active
burn,which takes roughly an hour when parked up.This releases all the soot gathered up in the last 750 hrs (better for the environment than slow releasing all the time,what a load of b*llox).
Problem with mine,I did the service myself so it didn’t get its active burn,hence going into limp mode until dealer came out and made it do a burn.
Only a problem on a basic model,on a higher spec one with armrest or keypad you can force it to do a burn without laptop.
What a ridiculous situation we find ourselves in!!!
Is yours a T5?
I think New Holland may be running a different emissions strategy on the smaller frames
 
That's an article from 2015 and at that time i think cnh thought they could meet the requirements for t4b with no dpf or egr. I'm fairly sure that in fact they do have a dpf though (or they may call it a doc) and i think they may have egr.
I may be wrong but I'm not sure that even if not required to get the emissions down that the regs for t4b mandated having a combination of egr scr and dpf.
NH have internal egr same as my t3 fergy
the inlet valves slightly overlap the exhaust so sucking some exhaust back in
 

Cowabunga

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NH have internal egr same as my t3 fergy
the inlet valves slightly overlap the exhaust so sucking some exhaust back in
That’s very simple and potentially far more reliable than external EGR but is not regulated precisely in real time as computer controlled external EGR is. Not cooled either. I think my 5445 T3 Perkins is a bit heavy on fuel at light loads, possibly as a result of its internal egr emission strategy. Otherwise it is an excellent engine and uses no more fuel at full load as I would expect of a 100hp tractor.
 
That’s very simple and potentially far more reliable than external EGR but is not regulated precisely in real time as computer controlled external EGR is. Not cooled either. I think my 5445 T3 Perkins is a bit heavy on fuel at light loads, possibly as a result of its internal egr emission strategy. Otherwise it is an excellent engine and uses no more fuel at full load as I would expect of a 100hp tractor.
No but it "just works"
 

Cowabunga

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No but it "just works"
Perkins lost a massive slice of its market share with its single fluid EGR strategy, even though their system was relatively simple compared to Deere’s single fluid system which also integrated variable vane turbos and external cooled EGR with its associated piping and valving, sensors and so on. Once the market share was lost, it was lost long term and Perkins are now very rare beasts on new agricultural equipment.
 

Timbo

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Gods County
Perkins lost a massive slice of its market share with its single fluid EGR strategy, even though their system was relatively simple compared to Deere’s single fluid system which also integrated variable vane turbos and external cooled EGR with its associated piping and valving, sensors and so on. Once the market share was lost, it was lost long term and Perkins are now very rare beasts on new agricultural equipment.


I can forsee alot of the current R series being converted back to circa tier2 ish hardware in time - the amount of sensors and valves fitted to make the egr and emissions gear work on them now is frightening.

Will be up against the vastly greater complexity, greater underbonnet heat and motors / valves in hostile, exhaust environments that will fail from age as well as use, as well as two turbos on some, and bypass valves etc on them, and thats before we talk about the adblu system.

Gunna need to be a very very sharp person with the right gear to diagnose / fix a fault correctly after afew tinkerers have tried this and that on them.
 

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