Pickup speed limits

Poorbuthappy · Oct 6, 2023

cosmiccrofter said:
I've just checked the V5 for my Navara, and it's MIS is 2,175kg

See my post above.

Having said that, I've also read that DoT are increasingly using MIS as unladen weight. Not technically correct, but again, any of us brave enough (or rich enough) to challenge them on it?

JP1 · Oct 6, 2023

Nearly said:
It's 30 years since I was 75kg!

I had the same thought when I read that !

cows sh#t me to tears · Oct 6, 2023

FonterraFarmer said:
What's the open road speed limit in NT?
Personally ,I never exceed 110. (Honestly)

130 now.

FMF74 · Oct 6, 2023

Robt said:
It doesn’t go off the fact you have a canopy. It goes off the v5 with no extras fitted after factory build

I did question them on that! It appears they didn’t know either.

ford 7810 · Oct 6, 2023

Just looked in registration book Isuzu eigr automatic MIS 1982 kg

Caesar Cigar · Oct 6, 2023

Robt said:
The seats fitted in most disco commercials are fitted and invoiced as occasional seats. These fold down to allow the cargo department to be as designed for commercial use. You can’t fit original discovery seats and continue to claim it’s a commercial. I know this having had 4x disco 4’s and a shogun commercial. All totally legal. The seats aren’t that great for adults but that’s the trade off for tax saving (BIK) in my case

Didn’t know about this commercial seating before.

If you convert a commercial vehicle by adding normal rear seats it becomes liable for the VAT that was reclaimed when it was bought new. It actually cheaper to sell your commercial and buy a second hand domestic version because rhe VAT you have to pay is 20% on the list price, no matter what age it is! If you’re pulled over and you’ve added seats and not paid the VAT you will be prosecuted for VAT fraud. A commercial shogun is adapted after its VOSA test so it can do 70mph, but a commercial disco is factory supplied and tested by VOSA as a commercial limited to 60mph. If you add seats to this it is still VOSA tested as a commercial and is still limited to 60mph. Simple! Every vehicle is VOSA tested before production and the speed limit depends on what the manufacturers say it will be, commercial or domestic.

I drive a commercial shogun at 70mph. If I revert it back to rear seats it would cost me £7000 in VAT plus the cost to adapt.

Darius_Jedburgh · Oct 6, 2023

Check the MOT certificate - it gives a vehicle type the manufacturer has registered it with the DVSA - depending on this it will be either 'N1' for commercial van/vehicle or 'M1' for car - this is the crucial bit from a legal perspective as to what speed limit applies.

delilah · Oct 6, 2023

20 is plenty.

FonterraFarmer · Oct 6, 2023

cows sh#t me to tears said:
130 now.

Ffs , that 210 kph!!!

davidroberts30 · Oct 6, 2023

delilah said:
20 is plenty.

Is your last name drakeford

Renaultman · Oct 6, 2023

Ffermer Bach said:
Ford Ranger too heavy, so lower speed limits and I believe the Nissan Nevara is too.

I think the D50 2.6 is ok the V6 isn't not sure about all of the NP300s been past plenty of cameras and even had a couple of tickets prosecuted at no commercial speeds.

Doing it for the kids · Oct 6, 2023

Robt said:
The seats fitted in most disco commercials are fitted and invoiced as occasional seats. These fold down to allow the cargo department to be as designed for commercial use. You can’t fit original discovery seats and continue to claim it’s a commercial. I know this having had 4x disco 4’s and a shogun commercial. All totally legal. The seats aren’t that great for adults but that’s the trade off for tax saving (BIK) in my case

So what speeds do you think you can do?

Darius_Jedburgh said:
Check the MOT certificate - it gives a vehicle type the manufacturer has registered it with the DVSA - depending on this it will be either 'N1' for commercial van/vehicle or 'M1' for car - this is the crucial bit from a legal perspective as to what speed limit applies.

Thank you, think I got them wrong way round. I ditched the commercial concept for this very reason

Exfarmer · Oct 6, 2023

FonterraFarmer said:
Ffs , that 210 kph!!!

I think he was in KPH

cows sh#t me to tears · Oct 7, 2023

Exfarmer said:
I think he was in KPH

Hey, it's the Northern Territory...... You used to be able to do whatever you could wring out of it once apon a time. Then some Japanese bloke got killed in a cannonball run and they imposed 130....Mind you. You'd have to be damn unlucky to get caught... Anyway. 140 in a loaded up hilux is plenty.

Darius_Jedburgh · Oct 7, 2023

Doing it for the kids said:
So what speeds do you think you can do?

Legal max speeds - outside of other set 20-30-40 mph limit areas;

single lane car 60mph./commercial van 50mph
dual carriageway car 70mph./commercial van 60mph
Motorway car 70mph /commercial van 70mph

Hilly · Oct 7, 2023

Farmer Roy said:
Haha, here, like every other vehicle on the road, they are limited to the posted speed limit

No they are not , commercial vehicles are linited to 10mph less .

Diggerdave · Oct 7, 2023

Ffermer Bach said:
just checked, Isuzu 4.4 (double cab) before 2020 is 1934 kg and post 21 is still only 2030kg for the auto, so all OK!

I think it actually hinges around what the vehicle was registered as on the v5

FonterraFarmer · Oct 7, 2023

Darius_Jedburgh said:
Legal max speeds - outside of other set 20-30-40 mph limit areas;

single lane car 60mph./commercial van 50mph
dual carriageway car 70mph./commercial van 60mph
Motorway car 70mph /commercial van 70mph

Seen a milk tanker in Ireland on backroads doing 110 kph+ or was that Evenflow???

Drillman · Oct 7, 2023

No joined up thinking on pickup speed limits as I got done for 71 in a 60 in the Ranger a while back under car rules.

yeh I hold my hands up I was going too fast but I got away with going on a naughty boy learn to drive slower course, if they done me under van rules like I should have been it would have been a lot more expensive I reckoned!

Neil MP · Oct 7, 2023

Drillman said:
No joined up thinking on pickup speed limits as I got done for 71 in a 60 in the Ranger a while back under car rules.

yeh I hold my hands up I was going too fast but I got away with going on a naughty boy learn to drive slower course, if they done me under van rules like I should have been it would have been a lot more expensive I reckoned!

You’re lucky, in Scotland we don’t get the option of the naughty step, it’s bang, 3 points and £100 please

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