aberfield sheep

[Nithsdale]

They breed bfl and have a new hybrid which is tex x bfl.
http://www.logiedurnosheep.co.uk/maternal-sires/fronteira/

Ahh right

I didnt know they had branched out.

So who bought some??

 

[Ysgythan]

Ahh right

I didnt know they had branched out.

So who bought some??

The young and impressionable.
Farm managers.

 

[Nithsdale]

The young and impressionable.
Farm managers.

We were all young and impressionable once upon a time...

im now in my 30's, bitter and stuck in my ways

 

[MRT]

So old and impressionable!

 

[Spartacus]

We bred a few ourselves a few years ago and wasnt too impressed with the lambs they produced when crossed to the swaledale (we were trying to get a ewe lamb to keep as a mule type with a bit more about it that a mule) and they came out all kinds, some decent some horrible! The "pure" ewes had great lambs though when crossed to a terminal sire.

 

[scholland]

There you are @Nithsdale Farmer

 

[Dafydd]

Ahh right

I didnt know they had branched out.

So who bought some??

I bought 1 off Logie Durno, lot 183 in the video

 

[Nithsdale]

They look much like iv seen in the past...

We bred a few ourselves a few years ago and wasnt too impressed with the lambs they produced when crossed to the swaledale (we were trying to get a ewe lamb to keep as a mule type with a bit more about it that a mule) and they came out all kinds, some decent some horrible! The "pure" ewes had great lambs though when crossed to a terminal sire.

This seems to be the great downfall - they are bred/designed to add something to the Mule, when used inplace of a BFL... but it seems they dont.

I can believe as a flock of ewes theyd do pretty well - i imagine a Charolais over them would leave an amazing lamb... but who is going to run enough pure texels - or Blues - to breed a decent number of replacements of them?

To me it seems more like an exercise in showcasing breeding, rather as a real option for breeding. That is in no way meant as a direct criticism of Logie Dunro, or any breeders - much more that i mean i get the point in what the breeding is attempting to offer, but i feel it doesnt tick the boxes or meet the criteria the breeders set out to achieve with it.

 

[MJT]

Reason for the mixed bag would be due to the texel x bfl that you had not being a "fixed" breed. If you had bred texel x bfl to texel x bfl for a few generations then the eventual offspring out of your Swales would be a lot more uniformed. It's like when you cross a mule to a texel, the lambs are never uniformed, some throw more to the Leicester, some to the Swale and some look very texely.

 

[reverand]

I know innovis is out to make money. That doesn't mean they arnt doing any good in the breeding progress. Any flock is only going to be as good as their best ewe, and recording is only going to, hopefully, lift your overall averages. In theory every generation is slightly improved. How many generations does it take to get a consistent animal characteristic?

 

[Nithsdale]

I bought 1 off Logie Durno, lot 183 in the video

Youl need to revive this thread this time next year - and let us know how the lambs have done.

What ewes are you putting him to?

 

[reverand]

Reason for the mixed bag would be due to the texel x bfl that you had not being a "fixed" breed. If you had bred texel x bfl to texel x bfl for a few generations then the eventual offspring out of your Swales would be a lot more uniformed. It's like when you cross a mule to a texel, the lambs are never uniformed, some throw more to the Leicester, some to the Swale and some look very texely.

Thats only down to lack of depth of genetics. Their idea is to create a "new breed". It takes time. Ask @Tim W. He has managed it.

 

[ford4000]

I know innovis is out to make money. That doesn't mean they arnt doing any good in the breeding progress. Any flock is only going to be as good as their best ewe, and recording is only going to, hopefully, lift your overall averages. In theory every generation is slightly improved. How many generations does it take to get a consistent animal characteristic?

They spend a lot of time recording, and use E.T. extensively to improve their stock, they might not be perfect but I think they are heading in the right direction

 

[Dafydd]

Youl need to revive this thread this time next year - and let us know how the lambs have done.

What ewes are you putting him to?

He's out with Welsh speckled face ewes, plan is to retain the ewe lambs ourselves and put to a charollais. Hoping for a slightly hardier mule type ewe but time will tell.

 

[Nithsdale]

He's out with Welsh speckled face ewes, plan is to retain the ewe lambs ourselves and put to a charollais. Hoping for a slightly hardier mule type ewe but time will tell.

Well... your the first TFF Logie Fronteria user, so your the guniea pig!

Good luck with it. The forum expects pictures

 

[CharcoalWally]

Got a BFL X Texel tup lamb standing out in the paddock beside the house right now.
Homebred and I know exactly how his dam line has performed here at home for generations for lambing and rearing. I would rather use him before I would ever buy in a tup from one of these companies.
Chances are that your own stock with your home knowledge will work just as well if not better.

 

[scholland]

Reason for the mixed bag would be due to the texel x bfl that you had not being a "fixed" breed. If you had bred texel x bfl to texel x bfl for a few generations then the eventual offspring out of your Swales would be a lot more uniformed. It's like when you cross a mule to a texel, the lambs are never uniformed, some throw more to the Leicester, some to the Swale and some look very texely.

I presume logie will be planning to fix this cross as they have done with their logie and durno hybrid. But I'm just guessing.

 

[Ysgythan]

I know innovis is out to make money. That doesn't mean they arnt doing any good in the breeding progress. Any flock is only going to be as good as their best ewe, and recording is only going to, hopefully, lift your overall averages. In theory every generation is slightly improved. How many generations does it take to get a consistent animal characteristic?

Paradox of breeding - F1 cross benefits from hybrid vigour but lacks consistency, inbreeding leads to a drop in performance, but fixes character that does well in an F1 cross. The transition is difficult.

 

[Jackson4]

Paradox of breeding - F1 cross benefits from hybrid vigour but lacks consistency, inbreeding leads to a drop in performance, but fixes character that does well in an F1 cross. The transition is difficult.

first cross getting the best jump from hybrid vigour so save it for the most animals. You have to hand it to innovis.. take one unrecorded maternal in an archaic system, take an over fed non functional terminal, use your own figures and charge all the naysayers about every breed, but the traditionl breeds a fortune to take part prised some money out of them after all!

 

[Ysgythan]

Yeah well, they had to separate the AI and ET business from the breeding company and then they lost their best operative in the South who went off on his own. Hope the rams sell well for them.