Agricultural crises (another one)

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
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Dartmoor
and this is why it is so hard for farmers to see beyond the hand out system ---it's part of the the industry culture ---an addiction so hard to kick
Not so sure it's the addiction that's so hard to kick, it's the fact that you can be sure most of our nearest competitors won't be kicking the habit for some time yet!!
 

BrianV

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Dartmoor

Welsh farmers welcome BPS 2022 level of funding​

4 January 2022 | by FarmingUK Team | Finance, Government and Brexit, News
The total direct payment ceiling of £238 million will be provided this year, matching the budgets in 2020 and 2021

The total direct payment ceiling of £238 million will be provided this year, matching the budgets in 2020 and 2021
Farmers have welcomed the Welsh government's announcement that the 2022 direct payment budget will be maintained at 2020 and 2021 levels, as criticism continues of the UK's government's decision to slash the agriculture budget.
The total direct payment ceiling of £238 million will be provided this year, matching the budgets in 2020 and 2021, the Welsh government recently announced.
Minister for Rural Affairs Lesley Griffiths said she had 'prioritised support' for the sector to help with the challenges facing farmers as a result of Brexit and the pandemic.

The Farmers’ Union of Wales (FUW) has today welcomed the news, saying it "recognises the concerns farmers have raised in terms of the importance of this funding".
The union's president, Glyn Roberts said: “The minister’s decision recognises the importance of the direct support budget not only to the 16,000 or so farm businesses that rely on it, but also the many more tens of thousands of businesses that benefit from these payments.”
Mr Roberts said that hundreds of thousands of Welsh people employed directly and indirectly in the agricultural and food supply chains would benefit from the funding.
But he added that he shared the Welsh government’s frustration that the UK government’s promise to replace EU funding in full had been broken.

Welsh farmers have already lost £137m as a result of the autumn 2020 spending review, and in November 2021, it was announced that the budget for agriculture would be cut by a further £106m compared with what was promised.
“Farming budgets in the EU are not facing such cuts, yet we were promised that no cuts would result from Brexit," Mr Roberts said.

"We share the Welsh government’s frustrations and concerns - particularly in light of the rising barriers for our food exports to the EU and the threat posed by our competitors, whether in the EU or through new trade deals.”

NFU Cymru also welcomed the Welsh government's announcement, as this year would present 'continued challenges for the sector'.
President John Davies said: “As a union, we have stressed to Welsh government that the BPS is crucial to maintaining the supply of safe, high quality and affordable food to all in society.
"This is as important as it has ever been, as the nation continues to battle against the effect of the coronavirus."

Mr Davies said farmers were dealing with trade friction resulting from Brexit, trade deals with major agricultural exporting nations and significant hikes in input costs.
"[The] announcement from the minister is therefore a welcome assurance to the nation’s farmers," he added.
“As well as providing security to farming businesses, this announcement is also a boost for our rural businesses and communities, as Welsh farms provide the economic, social and cultural foundation of our rural communities."
 

Bury the Trash

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the fancy sports car, foreign holidays, meals out and everything else the young want today
that s far too much of a generalisation ime, i see the ones around here that are genuinely interested in farming and they as it happens are not interested in all that frivolous, mindless nonsense that you mention , i think you paint the young in a poor light if you think they are all like that.
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
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Wiltshire
Not so sure it's the addiction that's so hard to kick, it's the fact that you can be sure most of our nearest competitors won't be kicking the habit for some time yet!!
---and so when we manage to proceed down this route (it is happening ) we will then be ahead of our competitors and able to take advantage
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
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Cumbria
that s far too much of a generalisation ime, i see the ones around here that are genuinely interested in farming and they as it happens are not interested in all that frivolous, mindless nonsense that you mention , i think you paint the young in a poor light if you think they are all like that.


Yes, young people, sports cars, holidays, fancy meals all frivolous nonsense I agree. :ROFLMAO:
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Or broke!!
Advantage of what?
the ones that can't/won't adapt will be replaced of course (that's the business world)
those that do come through will have systems that work without subsidy and so when our competitors eventually have to do without subsidy we will be ahead and able to out perform them
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
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Dartmoor
the ones that can't/won't adapt will be replaced of course (that's the business world)
those that do come through will have systems that work without subsidy and so when our competitors eventually have to do without subsidy we will be ahead and able to out perform them
Or they will be in a far far better position when prices start to collapse which at some point they will, we well established ones will be ok but the poor buggers struggling to make a living will not, but then as you imply who the hell cares about them as long as I'm alright Jack!!
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
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Wiltshire
Or they will be in a far far better position when prices start to collapse which at some point they will, we well established ones will be ok but the poor buggers struggling to make a living will not, but then as you imply who the hell cares about them as long as I'm alright Jack!!
I don't think anyone is in the ''i'm alright jack'' camp
It's more a simple acceptance of facts ---it's the way business works ---some make it and others don't
 

Top Tip.

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highland
I don't think anyone is in the ''i'm alright jack'' camp
It's more a simple acceptance of facts ---it's the way business works ---some make it and others don't
Unfortunately there’s only two ways that can work either the economies of scale has to come into play or the price of the end product has to rise massively,unfortunately I can only see the former happening which will lead to the decimation of the agriculture industry as we know it. I’m not sure that we would end up with a livestock industry as we need a critical mass to ensure the abattoirs survive.
 

MRT

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Livestock Farmer
Young people don't seem to want to do anything though. Shortage of lorry drivers, builders, NHS staff, dentists ( well paid ), abattoir workers, veg pickers.........
A lot of those jobs were/are filled by foreign nationals. The benefit of working the same jobs in the UK is not there due to many things, housing cost etc. Would you want to work if it got you nowhere? Sadly a number of my friends have emigrated to Australia, mainly for the cost/benefits of work and house ownership
 
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