When did George ever have a good idea?
Any chance the government will subsidise fertiliser?
- Thread starter Thecub
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It's always better to give money as far down the chain as possible. This is why grants for students were so ace, as the money got cycled around the economy so many times.
No need to give it to CF. If they have a factory shut down, just requisition it.
Or, like giving all households £150 in April through the council tax, just send £100 for every acre or whatever. It's all on computer. You just press a button. It's the button next to the "print more money" button. It's not tricky.
No need to give it to CF. If they have a factory shut down, just requisition it.
Or, like giving all households £150 in April through the council tax, just send £100 for every acre or whatever. It's all on computer. You just press a button. It's the button next to the "print more money" button. It's not tricky.
Courier
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Make more sense to keep the cattle in sheds in the east than to truck the straw west at harvest and bring it back later as muck…
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we know what fert does, and know what happens, if less/none is used.
the guv hasn't got a clue.
result will be less food on the global mkt, and spiralling food costs. The guv will soon realise what happens then, food is not taxed, so if spend on food increases, spend on taxable goods decreases
All the good intentions of going carbon neutral, work against the production of cheap food, again guv has no idea, all their lives, food has been surplus and cheap. Well all of a sudden, the nice comfy world politicians live in, has been turned upside down, a new era has begun, what has been regarded as normal, no longer is. Fossil fuel replacement is decades away, so as no longer available from Russia, Europe has to fast track backwards, coal, gas and nuclear, the greens will go ballistic, but what choice do politicians have, the very vocal minority, versus the presently silent majority, the latter will be very vocal, if no gas etc.
The same logic applies to food production, it has to increase, not decrease, very obvious.
Politicians, are not completely stupid, their jobs depend on being re-elected, so if you look at a scenario that says, unaffordable food today, versus something that might happen, in 50/100 yrs time, you know what choice they will make.
My guess is that subsidies on food production will be the guvs answer, a 360 degree change from what ELMS objective is. The question should really be, what choices do guvs have, in light of events now, those choices are very limited, or at least popular ones are.
the guv hasn't got a clue.
result will be less food on the global mkt, and spiralling food costs. The guv will soon realise what happens then, food is not taxed, so if spend on food increases, spend on taxable goods decreases
All the good intentions of going carbon neutral, work against the production of cheap food, again guv has no idea, all their lives, food has been surplus and cheap. Well all of a sudden, the nice comfy world politicians live in, has been turned upside down, a new era has begun, what has been regarded as normal, no longer is. Fossil fuel replacement is decades away, so as no longer available from Russia, Europe has to fast track backwards, coal, gas and nuclear, the greens will go ballistic, but what choice do politicians have, the very vocal minority, versus the presently silent majority, the latter will be very vocal, if no gas etc.
The same logic applies to food production, it has to increase, not decrease, very obvious.
Politicians, are not completely stupid, their jobs depend on being re-elected, so if you look at a scenario that says, unaffordable food today, versus something that might happen, in 50/100 yrs time, you know what choice they will make.
My guess is that subsidies on food production will be the guvs answer, a 360 degree change from what ELMS objective is. The question should really be, what choices do guvs have, in light of events now, those choices are very limited, or at least popular ones are.
Governments around the world have been sleepwalking into a food crisis for months. Well before the russians attacked. Every farmer throughout the world knew it.
Steevo
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Years, or even decades more than months imo.
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perfectly true, but the problem is, getting politicians to realise it, brick wall springs to mind.
What will be, will be, and we will have to produce more.
And put up with being told, modern intensive farming, has caused the problem. Entirely untrue, but a publicly better answer, than the truth.
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- Lincolnshire.
Isn’t it the cyclical nature of commodities? The pandemic suppressed demand, investment stops, pandemic declines demand picks up and there is the perception of a gap. It’s related to the Ukraine since Putin is an opportunist amongst other things. Same way it’s no coincidence that the Saudis chose this week to execute 81.
Steevo
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Six months ago we were being told energy prices were going up because we were heavily renewables based, and the wind didn't blow enough in September.
U.K. Power Surges to Record 400 Pounds as Wind Fails to Blow
Electricity prices soared to a record in Britain as a period of still weather is curbing wind power, exposing the U.K.’s reliance on intermittent renewables.
www.bloomberg.com
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the problem with moving cattle to the East (after breeding them in the West), is, that goes against all DEFRA's policies and aims with animal transport ~ making it as difficult and uneconomic as possible to transport animals in stock box/lorry!!!
Steevo
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easy, speculators, buying forward, to make huge profits, hope they fail, but unlikely. Its quite frightening to think, a few clever greedy buggers, sat behind a desk, can seriously effect global prices.
wanton dwarf
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Russia started to reduce the amount of Gas supplied to Western Europe in Winter.
Germany has stores of months of gas. Rather than supplying into storage Russia began to restrict supplies such that Germany had a few weeks of Gas.
Energy traders know what the situation is, hence moved World Markets up. The rest is history I guess.
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Germany gas stores are not full.
1/4 of Germany gas storage is owned by..... gazprom.
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Which I think is the wrong attitude.
warksfarmer
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Even though other countries are doing things like Germany telling farmers to crop every acre and forget about greening, and India subsiding fertiliser our government still think they’ll be able to import to protect their precious trade deals recently setup. So I doubt we’ll see anything to assist food production in this country.
You might get Boris on tv shortly with a message for farmers to grow grow grow and also advising anybody with gardens to plant veg but there won’t be any financial assistance.
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More chance of me winning miss world
ollie989898
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I can't help but seem to remember the renewable energy proponents telling us wind and power could make electricity so cheaply etc etc etc. Yet here we are, just coming out of winter with the price of energy sky high?
I would be wary of calling for fert sub, end up with over supply and corn at £100/t . Still a massive amount of things people can do in regards food waste and expense. Cut back on fast food and expensive ready made snacks etc. Get back to wholesome food, plenty of veg of all shapes and sizes and homemade sandwiches etc! The bale every acre of straw campaign didnt end well for everybody although at the time it seemed a good thing to do