- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
They can't spell either. Pathetic
Are Tilly pass on the right planet?
- Thread starter Dave W
- Start date
Well obviously but you are missing my point that someone with no qualifications on a subject is allowed to make an arbitrary decision based on a piece of information, in this case a rope hook not having an SWL stamped on it, but then make another call that a chassis rail is fine to attach a strap too despite it not having an SWL stamped on it either.
The rule should be a lashing point must have an SWL stamped or marked on it or we forget about that and you must be able to prove by design that the lashing point is fit for purpose.
Yes you have had a rope hook snap off previously but according to my calculations a 20mm did rope hook would be more than up to the job so if I was to design and build that onto my own trailer I should be allowed to use a 2 tonne strap on it, however the "rule" is you can't use rope hooks for straps its ridiculous!
- Location
- Ardrossan Ayrshire
What if its a strap hook?
marshbarn
Member
- Location
- shropshire
What annoys me about tilly pass is that they seem to be trying to pretend they are some sort of offical test, but in reality they have no legal base to say your trailer is fit for the road or not .
If it looks like a rope hook you'd probably still be at the mercy of someones judgement of suitability
Yeah they are trying to be an official test when there are already far better recognized options if people wanted something official.
an excellent point well made. Thank you
the machine should be fit for purpsoe (its ce marked right!) so a "lashing point" should be suitable for the intended use, whihc in this day and age is for most people a ratchet strap.
Plus, in my nice clothes, i dont want to scrabble under to the chassis rail, and have the ratched at an awkward place. Why not use the lashing point as intended - as long as they were indended for that.
In court, you could argue the intended use of the lashing point, and if the user documentation says you can fasten a load down with it, then you can. End of discussion!
ollie989898
Member
I was wondering about this rope hook thing the other day as I was sat in a queue of traffic alongside a wagon and drag used by one of the South West straw hauliers. Sure enough, his straps were on these hooks but they looked far more beefy than just something you would put a net on?
warksfarmer
Member
Tilly Pass is a load of crap. Wouldn’t go anywhere near them and no different to Red Tractor in that they get you to pay them to check something that is law that you have to abide to anyway.
You could get a Tilly Pass sticker on a Monday morning, have an accident on a Tuesday morning and the Tilly Pass will stand for absolutely nothing in a legal case because the operator should check everything every single day before going in a public road.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Not forgetting the Tilly pass is flawed from the start. You need a rolling road to check and balance the brakes, it’s no good pulling the drums off and having a look.
Paddington
Member
- Location
- Soggy Shropshire
My flatbed trailer has loads of cut outs in the deck to take ratchet strap hooks, but if you are carrying say, hay or straw you can't get to them. I have tried putting the hooks in place first, just never sure if they are still fully in place with the load on.
Do rust holes in the chassis count as suitable places to fix hooks to ?
Asking for a friend, thanks ever so muchly.
Asking for a friend, thanks ever so muchly.
Happy hillbily
Member
- Location
- Uwchaled, North Wales
A mate did this for one of his customers Bailey trailer, which i thought was a good idea !
Tidy welding there ,sir ,
Yeah the rust helps prevent the hook slipping
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no rope hooks were harmed in the securing of this load
2 x Dihatsus on the back? What a load
im just going to pick one hole in that statement, though i feel it is important.
There is NO requirement for a QUALIFIED ENGINEER (whatever one of those is)
The person maintaining the trailer MUST be competent, and you may need to prove this.
Proving competency is not that hard, providing youve maintained the trailer properly. If you do a sloppy job, someone asks for evidence of your competence, you can hardly say "well look at my work"
On the other hand, if you do it properly, you can cite many things to prove your competency, including
-reading this thread
-watching you tube videos on trailer maintenance (and other things)
-going to night school
-spending time with your mate whilst he maintains some local HGVs
you get the idea, there are many ways, and i didnt want people thinkingcome a qualified engineer"
hope that makes sense
the rest of what they say, i fully concur with, and to be fair, ive picked a hole in a pedantic use of two words. im not trying to be awkward!