Can TM engine fit into MF 1200....

[MADFORMASSEY]

Would it work. Any advice on mf 1200(articulated). What to look out for. I just want to try out fitting secondhand TM engine into a MF1200 cause I need the power and traction for pulling heavy loads up steep hills.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Was the 1200 not known for machanical failures even with the 6354 Perkins let alone with a possible 200hp. It’s only a 590 diff and rear axle

 

[bill and bens dad]

why not fit a AT6 354.4 engine or even a 1006t as in mf 8130 ? save alot of work making a back plate, one has been done on you tube

 

[essexpete]

From what I remember of the 1200 it tended to run out of power before traction. I guess to much through and something will break. I snapped the main drive coupling pulling a small earth scraper box. That was relatively easy to replace.

 

[MADFORMASSEY]

From what I remember of the 1200 it tended to run out of power before traction. I guess to much through and something will break. I snapped the main drive coupling pulling a small earth scraper box. That was relatively easy to replace.

Oh right. Are they problematic enough. Do they pull Well with their original perkins engine

 

[Nearly]

@masseybreaker will keep selling you bits until you get bored.

 

[essexpete]

Oh right. Are they problematic enough. Do they pull Well with their original perkins engine

TBH I drove one occasionally on the farm when I was student. It had been the main cultivation tractor from 1975 to 1978 then 2nd after they bought a 1505. It was very usable at about 5 years old when I drove but it seemed quite tired and rattly. I cannot rember the hours but I guessing not particularly high by modern standards. It did grip well and the 6.354 chucked a lot of soot out when working hard.

 

[Cowabunga]

The axles were mostly the ones fitted to the MF 185 or similar. Not the faster running diff ones with the larger final drives found in the 595 and 4wd 590 models. So 110hp is about their safe limit and, personally, I would not want to put more than a 120hp engine and 500Nm torque in front of a MF1200 driveline.

Fairly sure that my tier3 MF5445 would outperform an MF1200 if both were factory standard specifications.

 

[Wellytrack]

Could you not just buy the rest of the TM?

 

[MADFORMASSEY]

Was the 1200 not known for machanical failures even with the 6354 Perkins let alone with a possible 200hp. It’s only a 590 diff and rear axle

The axles were mostly the ones fitted to the MF 185 or similar. Not the faster running diff ones with the larger final drives found in the 595 and 4wd 590 models. So 110hp is about their safe limit and, personally, I would not want to put more than a 120hp engine and 500Nm torque in front of a MF1200 driveline.

Fairly sure that my tier3 MF5445 would outperform an MF1200 if both were factory standard specifications.

What about the 1505. Would that handle more power from a TM engine

 

[masseybreaker]

dont think the drive train will stand it but have a bash the worst that can happen is a scrap tractor its very hard to get parts for it now a lot of parts specific to 1200

 

[MADFORMASSEY]

Could you not just buy the rest of the TM?

Nah.i want a vintage articulated tractor that i can swap the engine for a TM 7.5 litre engine into it fir extra power and torque.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Silly question maybe but have you got a 7.5 ltr engine? It’s not like something that folk trip over and they’re far from ‘cheap’. As mentioned a Perkins 1000.6 would be far easier to find

 

[Cowabunga]

What about the 1505. Would that handle more power from a TM engine

No doubt. As long as you remember that they are as rare as hen's teeth in the UK and were designed and built mainly for fast top work pulling wide shallow-working implements by the drawbar. For prairie farming. Not heavy tillage.
Why bother though? These things are genuine antiques while the TM Powerstar engine is hardly new. It is undoubtedly the better engine of course but is best fitted to what it was originally designed for, which is the 40 series NH, the 60/TM and the Canadian Versatile rigid tractors.

 

[czechmate]

Wasn’t there a 1200 turbo?

 

[Wellytrack]

Nah.i want a vintage articulated tractor that i can swap the engine for a TM 7.5 litre engine into it fir extra power and torque.

Your choice of course but you said in your op you said “I need the power and traction for pulling heavy loads up steep hills”.

You are considering putting an engine that is renowned for having masses of torque into something 50 years old.

Doesn’t matter if it’s a 1006 Turbo, 6BT, or a Powerstar,

For a bit of a play it will be fine. Go pull those heavy loads up hills and it will fail.

Keep the engine in the thing it’s meant to be in and it’s likely to be reliable.

 

[Cowabunga]

Wasn’t there a 1200 turbo?

Was the 1250 turbocharged? I seem to remember that MF may have officially sanctioned a turbo kit [marketed by Opico and MF] for the 1200 or 1250 as well as the 595 at some point.

 

[Two Tone]

Wasn’t there a 1200 turbo?

Don’t think either the 1200 or 1250 ever had turbos fitted by MF. But a fair few had Opico or TB turbos added by operators.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

why not fit a AT6 354.4 engine or even a 1006t as in mf 8130 ? save alot of work making a back plate, one has been done on you tube

Me and my late father fit a 1006t from a bin wagon to an mf 2620 replacing a 6354, fit fairly good just a few mods, f**k me it had some power then around165bhp+ you could go up steep hills on the road with lightish loads in top gear and it did 45k

just a shame it was 2wd...

don’t make life hard get something that’s easy to fit

 

[Cowabunga]

Don’t think either the 1200 or 1250 ever had turbos fitted by MF. But a fair few had Opico or TB turbos added by operators.

MF officially sold the Opico turbo kit for a while and it was even featured in their pocket catalogue in the late 1970's. This was before TB turbo's with their superior, more suitably small turbochargers were ever thought of.
I had one of the first TB turbo kits ever, fitted to my 590 4wd in 1980. Thomson and Brake came down personally to show it on my yard and they fitted it all there and then after I agreed. Opico and their dealers had a nice little earner with their ridiculously priced extra oil filter which they claimed needed changing every 100 hours with the oil change. TB used a disposable element that I think was the same part used as a Morris 1000 oil filter and cost pennies. I don't recall what obscure brand of large turbo Opico used but TB used far more responsive British built Holset turbos as used exclusively by Cummins and by many other premium engine manufacturers also.