Chicken shortage

[Courier]

i have a belief / rule that no manager / boss or business owner should ever ask any employe to do a job they would not be prepared do themselves

I would completely and utterly agree with you, but that is apparently an outdated view and the ability to delegate a process to someone who has specialised in it is more nowadays more valid.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Doesn’t everyone?

My "other fridge" has vaccines in.

 

[Sid]

Big chicken farm next door, lack of staff has resulted in chickens growing too big and out of spec for spupermarkets and now lorry loads of perfect (but too large) chickens going for dog food.

So how does that sit with contract growers where they are paid by bird spec.

They will be out of spec through no fault of their own.

 

[Courier]

So how does that sit with contract growers where they are paid by bird spec.

They will be out of spec through no fault of their own.

I suspect that the producer will have to "Suck it up" .

 

[spin cycle]

i have a belief / rule that no manager / boss or business owner should ever ask any employe to do a job they would not be prepared do themselves

my best friend (retired now) used to work in marketing....£175k/yr + upto 100% bonus......at christmas he'd be out stacking supermarket shelves with their products cos they reckoned that was the best use of time just then

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

So how does that sit with contract growers where they are paid by bird spec.

They will be out of spec through no fault of their own.

This is the point at which the processor develops an enormous grin of smugness, leans back in his reclining leather chair and points to the gold plaque on his oak-panelled office wall;

The plaque simply reads:

"Force Majeure"

 

[jg123]

So how does that sit with contract growers where they are paid by bird spec.

They will be out of spec through no fault of their own.

Not sure, they are a big operation who process and package in house so need a lot of labour and haulage.

 

[vantage]

This is the point at which the processor develops an enormous grin of smugness, leans back in his reclining leather chair and points to the gold plaque on his oak-panelled office wall;

The plaque simply reads:

"Force Majeure"

So how does the processor earn any money with no chickens?

 

[Courier]

So how does the processor earn any money with no chickens?

Probaby doesn't - But with processing staff on zero hours or agency contracts and no product to pay for their losses will be minimal compared to their producers...

 

[little_p]

so on the news tonight - “unemployment in under 25’s is high” followed by a load of 18-25 yr olds saying despite applying for loads of job they just can’t get work

square that circle ! - most looked capable of catching a chicken to me !

Because for years employers have been spoilt with a ready supply of fit, experienced and willing workers (almost exclusively from the EU). Some employers mindsets are still that these are their 'ideal candidates'. In some cases there is almost a presumption that British - particularly, young British workers - aren't worth the hassle and don't get put forward or interviewed.

 

[john1968]

There will most likely be plenty of self appointed experts that will correct me but I don't think it's the shortage of chicken that's the problem it's lack of staff along the supply chain that's causing problems.
it hasn't improved the price payed to the grower or reduced the price of feed

 

[Clive]

I would completely and utterly agree with you, but that is apparently an outdated view and the ability to delegate a process to someone who has specialised in it is more nowadays more valid.

im all for delegation - trying to do everything yourself is very limiting

i also believe no one should be afraid of employing people more skilled or “better” than themselves or that can also be very limiting to a business

However you should always be prepared to do anything you ask others to do

 

[Clive]

my best friend (retired now) used to work in marketing....£175k/yr + upto 100% bonus......at christmas he'd be out stacking supermarket shelves with their products cos they reckoned that was the best use of time just then

and that s why some people earn big money and others do not

its rarely luck, its usually hard work and right attitude

 

[vantage]

Probaby doesn't - But with processing staff on zero hours or agency contracts and no product to pay for their losses will be minimal compared to their producers...

I see.
Somebody is going to get the penalised for non supply though I expect.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

So how does the processor earn any money with no chickens?

It's not a long term solution, it just means he doesn't need to fork out for chickens he can't sell.

I would expect the retailer to play the same trick.

 

[vantage]

It's not a long term solution, it just means he doesn't need to fork out for chickens he can't sell.

I would expect the retailer to play the same trick.

A bit like when Tomlinsons dairy were contracted by Sainsbury’s . Dairy went bust , Sainsbury’s sold the milk but the producers were never paid. M&S supplied by the same dairy, M&S stepped up and paid producers directly. One was honourable, the other ?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

lorry loads of perfect (but too large) chickens going for dog food.

Dog food is the new gold rush.

 

[shumungus]

I was think just the same, bet most owners or there kids aren't catching birds through the night.

You would be correct in that assumption as for growers to catch along with a good catching team we only get in the way, although I know of many growers including myself who have helped with catching.
Also we may not routinely catch birds but we have reared them to point of harvest, on call 24/7, handled all audits and paperwork, are responsible for bio-security, traceability, H&S and bird welfare, day to day management, bird health and equipment maintenance.
Most likely we have also spent a couple of £Million on our site and will supervise the harvest process all night and then do a full days work the next day.
Personally I'm happier cleaning out calving pens or trimming sheep's feet than getting dressed up and having a business meeting with fancy coffee and croissants.
Any farmer routinely does jobs that a lot of people would think is beneath them and we as farmers think nothing of it, so your statement is not only ill informed but a little offensive.

 

[Estate fencing.]

You would be correct in that assumption as for growers to catch along with a good catching team we only get in the way, although I know of many growers including myself who have helped with catching.
Also we may not routinely catch birds but we have reared them to point of harvest, on call 24/7, handled all audits and paperwork, are responsible for bio-security, traceability, H&S and bird welfare, day to day management, bird health and equipment maintenance.
Most likely we have also spent a couple of £Million on our site and will supervise the harvest process all night and then do a full days work the next day.
Personally I'm happier cleaning out calving pens or trimming sheep's feet than getting dressed up and having a business meeting with fancy coffee and croissants.
Any farmer routinely does jobs that a lot of people would think is beneath them and we as farmers think nothing of it, so your statement is not only ill informed but a little offensive.

I get your point but I never said all did. I know if 2 big poultry men and neither would be seen catch birds nor would any of there family. But there are plenty of dairy farm, arable and livestock farmers that moan they can’t get staff but never put there boots on and do the job themself. So it want aimed at you it was aimed at people in general.

 

[7610 super q]

The policy of swallowing up small farms and trying to be a big fish in a small pond is about to go tits up in spectacular fashion.