ollie989898
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That is ridiculous. People who rely on the subsidy cheque to make an enterprise profitable and pay a contractor's bills are surely just losing money every year?
Essex contractor bankruptcy
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That is ridiculous. People who rely on the subsidy cheque to make an enterprise profitable and pay a contractor's bills are surely just losing money every year?
The bigger you get the harder you fall when it comes to farming.. unless you have inherited a farm virtually debt free or you have plenty of nearly free, home labour.
Many farmers are reliant on side businesses like ground works, general haulage etc or their partners earn a wage which pays the essential household bills or they couldn't continue farming.
Just isn't the money in farming to go out and buy 100k tractors so hearing about contractors going under is no surprise unfortunately.
Many farmers are reliant on side businesses like ground works, general haulage etc or their partners earn a wage which pays the essential household bills or they couldn't continue farming.
Just isn't the money in farming to go out and buy 100k tractors so hearing about contractors going under is no surprise unfortunately.
Johnnyboxer
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- Yorkshire
As said, why do you need a sub payment to make a difference on whether you are profitable or not ?
Surely it's better to cost the job without relying on a sub
Depends where you are, farm shops are doing well in the affluent areas of England and Wales - combine it with a cafe/restaurant and the grey pound comes for lunch and then fills their shopping bags on the way out
Plenty of thriving farm shops in Yorkshire - some have even moved them into the town - in Harrogate for one
Then there are other farmers diversifying into .......
Ice cream making & parlours/cafes
B&B
Holiday lets
Cheese making
Farm Butchery
Kid's playing barns & cafes
Swimming pool parties & lessons
Farm Gyms and Leisure Centres
Farm Machinery selling
Farm Machinery repairs and fabrication
Farm Machinery manufacturing
Petting Farms & Cafes
Farm theatres and cinemas
Farm Activity centres
Fishing lakes and cafes
Farm caravan sites
Farm camping sites & holiday lodges
Music festivals
Horse 3 day events and equestrian
Vineyards
Farm light industrial units
Bulk storage facilities
Leisure Spa's
Golf Courses and Leisure Spa's
Build it and they will come !!
Plenty of diverse income streams not purely from arable or livestock farming
Non of which requires an EU subsidy - all profitable in their own right, Mr Boss Farmer
Diversity is the future of UK farming
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ollie989898
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I don't think the use of broken calculators really helps anyone. It is widely known that a lot of contractors can't possibly charge enough money for their services which only serves to bork their businesses and that of other people who are trying to genuinely make a living from providing the same service.
Ditto people sustaining otherwise routinely loss-making enterprises by using decoupled subsidy monies. That is absolute madness by anyone's measure. All you do is increase the supply of a product which serves to further bork the price for everyone.
Ditto people sustaining otherwise routinely loss-making enterprises by using decoupled subsidy monies. That is absolute madness by anyone's measure. All you do is increase the supply of a product which serves to further bork the price for everyone.
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I can't help but seeing how ironic this thread is about a bankrupt Contractoring firm with a advert flashing at the top of the thread "Offering a new Case/ih tractor with nothing to pay until May 2020"?. (Roll on next sucker
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)d williams
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the biggest problem apart from the price of the machinery which wouldn’t be such a problem is the short working windows that are available to return capital invested not this year but last year you could be baleing hay by 10am you work a good day starting at those times and multiply it by weeks rather then days there’s money to be made not sure to the answer but machines are to expensive for time frames available in this country
holywell farmer
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- holywell, north wales
The cut backs are due to lack of money
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
And if you believe that claptrap then you will believe anything......
itsalwaysme
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- Cheshire
Floods plant hire, went years ago, I think they still own the site and it's rented out as industrial units
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- somerset
I baled 1,000's of round bale, hay, straw and silage, welgar rp200, baler wasn't dear, and I used a jd1640, not a lot of money tied up, then upgraded to a class rolant, and a zetor crystal, modern balers would be much faster today, but how much money does a new system cost ? both baler and tractor were paid for, so no pressure, today's set up costs £10,000's, and contractors are reliant on farmers paying on time, and the machine working to full capacity, and in reality, all contractors rely on the above, for all their kit, and neither are reliable. The older I get, the more certain I am, that we have been talked into subsidising a machine manafacturers, they keep making, we keep spending, but our products prices are basically static, there's a massive industry behind farmers, if sales slow, they up the price, the trouble is, we can't, and, I fear, a day of reckoning will come, because, at the moment, every one is chasing us, for every penny we earn, to keep themselves going, we keep buying bigger kit, so have to look for more acres, stock, to spread the costs, it's a vicious circle, and that day of reckoning, is fast approaching. Young lad we use a bit, forced to sell most of his kit, the money didn't come in quick enough, and like he said, it's not because they won't, it's because they can't.
Courier
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So true , there’s nothing I enjoy better than being able to pay my way on time - never could when I was milking 3 x daily even putting it through 5 of my own milk rounds and the supermarkets were wooed by Northern Foods to undercut the Great British doorstep delivery system. ?
So true , there’s nothing I enjoy better than being able to pay my way on time - never could when I was milking 3 x daily even putting it through 5 of my own milk rounds and the supermarkets were wooed by Northern Foods to undercut the Great British doorstep delivery system. ?
Martyn
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- South west
The price of machiney has gone mad, iv seen a few bits of kit on classifieds on here in machinery yards for nearly twice the price few weeks later. We are right up-to the hilt currently, lot of stores to go if clear tb test, and will be releived with SPF arrives, had a very large machinery dealer chase us yesterday for fairly small outstanding invoice, they said there bank was empty, no one paying.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
The other week in this very section I suggested to someone they take a more basic model of tractor (same brand) for the jobs they had In mind as I couldn't see the point in spending extra to do the same work. I was quickly told off by someone else saying it was easy to justify the extra 20k and it was nothing.
Plenty of others on here spending more than they need on gear so there must be good money in it for some.
City folk buy a flashy BMW to impress the neighbours, rural folk buy a flashy Fendt to impress the neighbours.
There is going to be a time when reality will hit home and these 1% interest rates will end, it's going to be messy.
Yes they have more than one Industrial Estate in Pentre/ Sandycroft with a rumour Liddel or Aldi are going to have a unit on the original Floods PH Site next to several other mixed use units
itsalwaysme
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- Cheshire
Is that the main one where farmparts are ?
If it's Aldi they will have a lot of stores in the area, bigger store being built in Chester at the moment
SilliamWhale
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I bet you live within 30 miles of a few million people? I live within 30 miles of about 90,000 people - it really makes a difference!
I think the one down Rectors Lane is larger with more tenants and much more modern
Johnnyboxer
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- Yorkshire
Plenty of folk in North Yorkshire
Geography is key, you have to find something that fits your location is hopefully unique and quirky helps
8100
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- South Cheshire
I did a bit for Floods on a D4 late 80s .They had a big Welsh lad called Mick on the D8 .You could here him singing
choir music over the row that old D8 made . A young David Flood was running the job we were doing
