Goodbye Britannia!

[bobk]

I agree, it is the Supermarkets that have driven the price so low that the quality now fits the price they are willing to pay, some NZ exporters no longer supply the UK market due to low returns, Asians (particularly Japanese and Chinese ) expect and demand high quality, they are also willing to pay for it to.

Actually I think it's the EU that has driven the price of food down , it's one of their major policies

 

[stewart]

Actually I think it's the EU that has driven the price of food down , it's one of their major policies

Oh dear here we go again, blaming the EU for all the ills of the UK. Surely it is time to take some responsibility for your own actions, food prices in the UK are some of the lowest I have seen, we don't deal with them any longer as the prices they pay are uneconomic, we do however deal with Europe, they are our biggest customer.

 

[bobk]

Oh dear here we go again, blaming the EU for all the ills of the UK. Surely it is time to take some resolvability for your own actions, food prices in the UK are some of the lowest I have seen, we don't deal with them any longer as the prices they pay are uneconomic, we do however deal with Europe, they are our biggest customer.

You mentioned the UK , not me . I was stating a fact

 

[stewart]

You mentioned the UK , not me . I was stating a fact

So was I

 

[le bon paysan]

You mentioned the UK , not me . I was stating a fact

No you really were not

 

[bobk]

No you really were not

CAP .............................

 

[le bon paysan]

CAP .............................

Brought about to raise the living standards of the peasantry! And boy did it succeed!
Only the UK f**king it over and implementing rules to suit the hiararchy of the NFU and the likes of Walston and the lies of " blame the EU" screwed it eventually in the uk.
Mainland EU had irrigation, building, liming, construction and draining grants after you because Thatcher said you didn't need them.

 

[bobk]

Brought about to raise the living standards of the peasantry! And boy did it succeed!
Only the UK fudgeing it over and implementing rules to suit the hiararchy of the NFU and the likes of Walston and the lies of " blame the EU" screwed it eventually in the uk.
Mainland EU had irrigation, building, liming, construction and draining grants after you because Thatcher said you didn't need them.

Proves my point , subsidising to produce cheap food .

 

[le bon paysan]

Proves my point , subsidising to produce cheap food .

So now your subsidies are going, your going to be quids in?
The golden age of UK agriculture awaits!
Bonfire of the Vanities!..........More like Devil take the hindmost!

 

[czechmate]

Proves my point , subsidising to produce cheap food .

I think reliable food is what you mean.
Hungry populations are not happy.
At the time, the U.K. was doing the same thing - following the war - anyway

 

[bobk]

I think reliable food is what you mean.
Hungry populations are not happy.
At the time, the U.K. was doing the same thing - following the war - anyway

Who's hungry in the EU ?

 

[le bon paysan]

I think reliable food is what you mean.
Hungry populations are not happy.
At the time, the U.K. was doing the same thing - following the war - anyway

Absolutely!
Remember " let them eat cake" . Europe was stripped through the war, the UK never experienced the awfulness of occupation, France's rationing per head after the war was less than the concentration camps (400 calories against 800) above that you sourced yourself.
That's why France was on course to be the first country to freely vote in the Communist party and why the CAP was formed! If they had food then they wouldn't vote Communist and the Farmers were paid more than subsistence!

 

[le bon paysan]

Who's hungry in the EU ?

More in the uk apparently!
There were 4.2 million UK children living in poverty in 2019, according to Government figures. That is estimated to be 30 per cent of kids in the country, or nine for every class of 30 pupils, and it is double the poverty rate of pensioners. That figure rises to nearly 45 per cent for kids with single parents.

France ,
Indeed, 440 000 children would have since dived ( since covid ), with their families, in precarious situations, bringing the number of poor children in France to 3 million. This is a major step-back, especially if considering that one must account for 6 generations to overcome poverty

 

[stewart]

Proves my point , subsidising to produce cheap food .

Subsidies were in place in the UK prior to joining the EU.

Did subsidies bring about cheap food? They increased supply which was no bad thing, they also increased the living standards of farmers in the EU and the aristocracy in UK.

There was a time and a place for subsidisation, I believe that has now passed and farmers should be able to survive without them.

 

[czechmate]

Who's hungry in the EU ?

We have support

 

[caveman]

Subsidies were in place in the UK prior to joining the EU.

Did subsidies bring about cheap food? They increased supply which was no bad thing, they also increased the living standards of farmers in the EU and the aristocracy in UK.

There was a time and a place for subsidisation, I believe that has now passed and farmers should be able to survive without them.

Ha.
There are far fewer sitting at the table, getting a bigger slice, of a less nutritous cake.

 

[stewart]

Ha.
There are far fewer sitting at the table, getting a bigger slice, of a less nutritous cake.

Home made cakes are generally more nutritious and if you make them yourself you can have as big a slice as you want.

 

[caveman]

Home made cakes are generally more nutritious and if you make them yourself you can have as big a slice as you want.

That'll be why we've "done something about it" and left the EU.

 

[arcobob]

I agree, it is the Supermarkets that have driven the price so low that the quality now fits the price they are willing to pay, some NZ exporters no longer supply the UK market due to low returns, Asians (particularly Japanese and Chinese ) expect and demand high quality, they are also willing to pay for it to.

We shop online since lockdown a year ago but increasingly the quality of fresh produce is falling. Some of the stuff the supermarkets are sending out you would not pick up off a shelf. A 2.5kg bag of Melody potatoes grown by Oli Saul in Lincs contained at least six potatoes little bigger than a golf ball. They would easily pass through a 45mm riddle and once peeled they are minute making the overall peeling losses enormous. Clearly potatoes of this size have limited uses other than for cattle food and are being dumped on the unsuspecting housewife.
This is not the way forward for UK farmers.

 

[czechmate]

We shop online since lockdown a year ago but increasingly the quality of fresh produce is falling. Some of the stuff the supermarkets are sending out you would not pick up off a shelf. A 2.5kg bag of Melody potatoes grown by Oli Saul in Lincs contained at least six potatoes little bigger than a golf ball. They would easily pass through a 45mm riddle and once peeled they are minute making the overall peeling losses enormous. Clearly potatoes of this size have limited uses other than for cattle food and are being dumped on the unsuspecting housewife.
This is not the way forward for UK farmers.

That’s not at all helpful with the state of the potato trade