Landini Alpine 85, Duetz or equivalent for steep land work

[Deutzdx3]

View attachment 909956For the banks?

See a lot of these types in Italy ripping up ground. There will be 3 or more in 2 field. There are some phenomenal slopes out there they plant with crops we wouldn’t bother with.

 

[renewablejohn]

Holder tractors are very good on very steep slopes with the bigger ones having reliable 3 cyl deutz engines. Conventional tractor with muck filler would be the Holder A60 or newer equivalent. I have the reverse drive model of the A60 which is a C500. three point hitch front and back with pto front and back. Also has 3 way trailer deck behind cab which allows standard IBC container to be transported. Very versatile tool with loads of power even runs a claas 4 drum front mounted mower.. Biggest problem is finding them and there not cheap. Plenty in hilly parts of europe. I got mine from Sweden.

 

[glasshouse]

There was a versatile bi directional in cheffins sept unsold lots
loader on too

 

[renewablejohn]

Finally come the decision we need to invest in a tractor and looking for some ideas.

Main priority is that its very good on steep land, low COG, not massively tall but proportionally wide is fine. Up to 100hp. Front loader for stock feeding during the winter on out land, and helping the telescopic back on the farm on occasional break downs.

Ideally with front arms and PTO for land clearance with a front flail mower, perhaps a lightweight rear hedge trimmer.

We have looked at a few alpine tractors but not been totally convinced there up for all the jobs.

Reform Mounty tractor apart from being pricey seems light weight and probably cost a fortune on repairs. The other option is to go for a more ordinary tractor and then later invest in something like a Reform Metrac (https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/slope-tractor/39982211/reform-2004-gs-ga680.html).

Our problem is the land that needs clearance is in place's very steep. Manageable mostly with our 7710, but shes tall so getting under the tree's are a problem, and I've fallen behind in jobs due to hydraulic problems.

I like Duetz and have been looking again at the Argofarm - but also noticed a few Landini Alpine 85 for sale second hand (which actually looks very similar?). I don't know anything about them.

Any recommendations? Our spending limit is no more than 30k, but hoping towards 20. Give and take, whether to pay and fit a front loader, or equally front arms/PTO.

This one looks good for the job - https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/39643537/landini-alpine-85.html

Thanks, James

You might want to consider a reverse drive if your doing a lot of front mounted work. Thats one reason why I went for a reverse drive as its a far better view over the flail and a front mounted hedge trimmer is far easier on your neck. I also do a lot of forklift work with mine as pivot steer makes it very easy.

 

[PuG]

Thanks for the replies

What about a lindner? I think they do a low tractor and there made from top quality stuf unlike some other manufactures small basic ranges

I did look at these the other night and dismissed them - since you posted found this one one for sale. Will have to do some reading up.

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/39420651/lindner-geo-65.html

We don't need anything over 100hp (our Ford 5000 is adequate enough) and have never been that keen on John Deere, probably more from ignorance. Front loader work is only dropping hay or silage once a day in a ring feeder and the odd use helping when cutting but any real heavy work is mostly done by our Agrotron 165.

Most that have them seem to replace them like for like and they are generally liked and considered decent tractors. Certainly our Agroplus has been well liked, and In the last 17 years / 7k hours the only major repair its had was a head gasket that was easy to do.

If I was going with any SDF brands then I would favor Deutz - I've looked at the Agroplus / farm on several occasions over the years but always been put off by the suggestions that the build quality was inferior, but I like there size and being compact.

I'm not against something like a MF 390 but everything I've seen so far are getting on for hours, just I don't want to inherit worn out linkages.

Will take a look and Antonio.

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/40125541/antonio-carraro-trh-9400.html

 

[Veryfruity]

I’ve got one of these, a Wide vineyard tractor for low fruits, so the cog is very low. I don’t really know about driving on slopes, I did my pre college year on a hilly farm, 135 multi power etc. So I’ve stayed on the flat since. You can get a loader for them, though JD loaders won’t fit.

I regret not looking more closely at Same/lambo to see if they spec them the same, many parts of Italy grow vines in wide high trellis, to say nothing of kiwis etc. CIAM Narbonne is currently offering 80 hp Indian built vineyard tractors for €24K, buy one get one free compared to JD !

 

[Veryfruity]

That’s my son posing

 

[Fendtbro]

With your budget I would forget the Italian tractors, and smaller Deutz, not very good reviews on the reliability of them locally . I'd forget the front linkage and PTO idea for now and get a tidy MF 390T or 399 , twin up the wheels all around, or widen the existing , would be as good as anything.

We ran a 399 with a loader and it was the most unstable, unreliable and uncomfortable damned thing.. way too light in the back end and Useless front axle that gave plenty of problems. hardly any have Air con. Just not good on a loader. Pals 5130 ate it for breakfast..

 

[Kidds]

I have a Dorado 100F, 95 hp and the F stands for fruit I guess as it is an orchard tractor. Looks tiny against most modern ridiculous tractors, has a low centre of gravity and bags of power. No loader on mine but no doubt you could find one.
Biggest downsides would be reduced ground clearance compared to the great big tractors but never been an issue for me. As they are so compact they almost have to be completely dismantled if you do need to fix anything. Have had Dorado, Fruitetto (2), Explorer (2), Silver, Iron and another which I think was a 6 cylinder called Antares over the last several decades and if the next several decades are as trouble free I will be very pleased.

I don't have any hills here but they would cope and the French and Italians seem to agree.

 

[Treg]

Thanks for the replies



I did look at these the other night and dismissed them - since you posted found this one one for sale. Will have to do some reading up.

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/39420651/lindner-geo-65.html

We don't need anything over 100hp (our Ford 5000 is adequate enough) and have never been that keen on John Deere, probably more from ignorance. Front loader work is only dropping hay or silage once a day in a ring feeder and the odd use helping when cutting but any real heavy work is mostly done by our Agrotron 165.



If I was going with any SDF brands then I would favor Deutz - I've looked at the Agroplus / farm on several occasions over the years but always been put off by the suggestions that the build quality was inferior, but I like there size and being compact.

I'm not against something like a MF 390 but everything I've seen so far are getting on for hours, just I don't want to inherit worn out linkages.

Will take a look and Antonio.

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/40125541/antonio-carraro-trh-9400.html

MF do a 3700 series AL (alpine ) 70 - 90 hp & Class do the Nexus range , again similar horse power , both would be at the top end of your budget but would be new.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

I have a Dorado 100F, 95 hp and the F stands for fruit I guess as it is an orchard tractor. Looks tiny against most modern ridiculous tractors, has a low centre of gravity and bags of power. No loader on mine but no doubt you could find one.
Biggest downsides would be reduced ground clearance compared to the great big tractors but never been an issue for me. As they are so compact they almost have to be completely dismantled if you do need to fix anything. Have had Dorado, Fruitetto (2), Explorer (2), Silver, Iron and another which I think was a 6 cylinder called Antares over the last several decades and if the next several decades are as trouble free I will be very pleased.

I don't have any hills here but they would cope and the French and Italians seem to agree.

They’re built in Italy for hill work, were some of first manufacturers to fit proper front axle inboard brakes and centre line propshafts. Most hero hill farmers near the West Coast of Wales were using them at one time with wheel centres turned right out and then dual wheels bolted on . The basic 5 speed gearbox variants were all pressure fed lubricated which meant as long as you had oil in back end every bearing was been lubricated and one powershift was spring held same as the 4wd therefore as long as front axle pivots were greased the shaft couplings and splines were in good order and realistically were the difference between life and death!!

I can honestly say I saw some heroes reverse up with rotavators and ploughs in the air with feet on windcreens plus others had a route to drive up the mountain and point tractor down hill and drop plough/powerharrow/topper or jungle buster into ground and go for it!!!

 

[Yale]

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[glasshouse]

We ran a 399 with a loader and it was the most unstable, unreliable and uncomfortable damned thing.. way too light in the back end and Useless front axle that gave plenty of problems. hardly any have Air con. Just not good on a loader. Pals 5130 ate it for breakfast..

Finally come the decision we need to invest in a tractor and looking for some ideas.

Main priority is that its very good on steep land, low COG, not massively tall but proportionally wide is fine. Up to 100hp. Front loader for stock feeding during the winter on out land, and helping the telescopic back on the farm on occasional break downs.

Ideally with front arms and PTO for land clearance with a front flail mower, perhaps a lightweight rear hedge trimmer.

We have looked at a few alpine tractors but not been totally convinced there up for all the jobs.

Reform Mounty tractor apart from being pricey seems light weight and probably cost a fortune on repairs. The other option is to go for a more ordinary tractor and then later invest in something like a Reform Metrac (https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/slope-tractor/39982211/reform-2004-gs-ga680.html).

Our problem is the land that needs clearance is in place's very steep. Manageable mostly with our 7710, but shes tall so getting under the tree's are a problem, and I've fallen behind in jobs due to hydraulic problems.

I like Duetz and have been looking again at the Argofarm - but also noticed a few Landini Alpine 85 for sale second hand (which actually looks very similar?). I don't know anything about them.

Any recommendations? Our spending limit is no more than 30k, but hoping towards 20. Give and take, whether to pay and fit a front loader, or equally front arms/PTO.

This one looks good for the job - https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/39643537/landini-alpine-85.html

Thanks, James

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[FE35]

Hurlimann

XA100 GS

www.tunstalltractors.com

I had a look at this the other day - cracking little machine. Loads of spec just in a smaller /lower frame. Tunstalls have a few XA’s in that would fit the job & budget. Good to deal with & nice tractors - def worth a phone call!

 

[daveydiesel1]

Who was the member that was promotin armatracs the other week? Mabe he could chime in

 

[Stewie]

There are still places around where the mow, ted and rake with the wheeled tractor but round bale with the crawler...
Speaking of heroes, when I was a boy my dad's special was to climb a particular slope with the trusty old Landinj 5500, drop the mower when the wheel would start to slip and cutting sliding down...the top would be finished with the old BCS walk- behind mower (another classic of Italian farming in the 50-60s) going across the slope. Happy times

 

[Fendtbro]

buy november classic tractor, out now

Why what’s in it, a 399?

 

[glasshouse]

Why what’s in it, a 399?

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