LIC

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Is the LIC sexed 4m? I was surprised to see that the crv grazing catalogue didn’t have any bulls available sexed.

 

[som farmer]

My last 10 months with British Friesians

on a constituent contract, ticks all the boxes, how much, if any, hol blood in them, pretty certain you are 'pure' fr, just wondered if there had been careful use of hol over the years, as many ped breeders of all types have used a little, there is little doubt about why the hol replaced the fr, and for those that stayed with fr, they had to compete against the hol, or fail. So if you kept 'pure', you have had 40 years of improving the fr, so i presume the modern fr, is different to the ones of 40 yrs ago, just as the hol is different to those of 40 yrs ago, everything evolves around it's 'function' in society. For us, something akin to the early hol x, would suit us.

 

[cattow]

on a constituent contract, ticks all the boxes, how much, if any, hol blood in them, pretty certain you are 'pure' fr, just wondered if there had been careful use of hol over the years, as many ped breeders of all types have used a little, there is little doubt about why the hol replaced the fr, and for those that stayed with fr, they had to compete against the hol, or fail. So if you kept 'pure', you have had 40 years of improving the fr, so i presume the modern fr, is different to the ones of 40 yrs ago, just as the hol is different to those of 40 yrs ago, everything evolves around it's 'function' in society. For us, something akin to the early hol x, would suit us.

4 percent Holstein in any one animal would be my maximum, our milk has gone for cheese as long as I can remember so protein has always been a priority

 

[Philip Bealing]

Sooooooo
We ordered some sexed semen from them in late January. We were informed it might not be available fair enough. We were asked to supply a substitute which we did. So last week we were informed that the original bull was not available and oh by the way neither is your substitute because we sold it to somebody else.

Suggestions on how I should approach the situation please.

Thank you for the "heads up" i will check this week with my customers that they will have the straws we need when we start serving .

 

[dinderleat]

on a constituent contract, ticks all the boxes, how much, if any, hol blood in them, pretty certain you are 'pure' fr, just wondered if there had been careful use of hol over the years, as many ped breeders of all types have used a little, there is little doubt about why the hol replaced the fr, and for those that stayed with fr, they had to compete against the hol, or fail. So if you kept 'pure', you have had 40 years of improving the fr, so i presume the modern fr, is different to the ones of 40 yrs ago, just as the hol is different to those of 40 yrs ago, everything evolves around it's 'function' in society. For us, something akin to the early hol x, would suit us.

100% holstein should average 7300 as heifers which is a bit low for us but solid more than make up for it

 

[som farmer]

100% holstein should average 7300 as heifers which is a bit low for us but solid more than make up for it

just shows how far the hols have moved away from 'white water', the breeders will produce what the market requires, they have a massive gene pool to select from, whereas other breeds, are not so lucky. It would have been interesting to see, what 40yrs of intensive selective breeding, for the fr, would have been the end result. Perhaps the 'sweet point' will be the fr breeding up, and the hol breeding down, is where they meet.

 

[More to life]

just shows how far the hols have moved away from 'white water', the breeders will produce what the market requires, they have a massive gene pool to select from, whereas other breeds, are not so lucky. It would have been interesting to see, what 40yrs of intensive selective breeding, for the fr, would have been the end result. Perhaps the 'sweet point' will be the fr breeding up, and the hol breeding down, is where they meet.

Trust me white water Holsteins are still going strong in some herds

 

[jimmer]

Trust me white water Holsteins are still going strong in some herds

 

[More to life]

He's stolen my cream

 

[dinderleat]

Is how they make nut milk? With a team of squirrels?

 

[cattow]

one of my better ones never seen a diet feeder or indoor feed passage

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Yes, although the Friesian has moved on from the days of the dumpy thing with bottle teats!

Did not EU breeding companies have a breeding strategy to sort that out?
And was the North American problem with infertility and lameness an acceptable compromise with the holstein?

 

[Fools Gold]

Think I’d vote with my feet and place an order elsewhere, assuming other companies have stock available. Is anyone else encountering supply issues with pretty mundane stuff at the moment? Been quoted end of June delivery on two 11ft gates this week!

 

[organicguy]

Did not EU breeding companies have a breeding strategy to sort that out?
And was the North American problem with infertility and lameness an acceptable compromise with the holstein?

The number of Holstein herds that are cross breeding, or breeding back to the Friesian would suggest that the poor feet and infertility are not an acceptable compromise.
I believe some farmers have been sold up the swany by AI companies.

 

[Sid]

With the history of longevity in some holstein the ability to "adapt "is very quick!

 

[organicguy]

With the history of longevity in some holstein the ability to "adapt "is very quick!

That many be why the Friesian has not made as much progress as the Holstein

 

[Sid]

That many be why the Friesian has not made as much progress as the Holstein

It could well be

 

[dairydurham]

My last 10 months with British Friesians

Excellent components, but on how many kilos of milk / cow ,as its kilos of solids that matters not percentages alone

 

[Fergieman]

100% holstein should average 7300 as heifers which is a bit low for us but solid more than make up for it

Do you put the solids down to Agronaut or have your cows been that high for generations?

 

[Sid]

Excellent components, but on how many kilos of milk / cow ,as its kilos of solids that matters not percentages alone

And to get to the real crux of milking cows the cost of getting those kgs of solids.