New born lamb kicked in ribs and dragged by hind limb into and around trailer

[primmiemoo]

How do you do that on foot?

Fluency in warble fly??

 

[gone up the hill]

So has the OP any video footage to back up their alleged claims in their thread title/first post??

 

[egbert]

How do you do that on foot?

train em to follow sweeties and a call as yearlings, and get em very quiet as weanlings before that.
The dams teach their heifer calves good behaviour , so we've a head start.
any who don't like the rules get their feet trimmed....right up to the ears

 

[CopperBeech]

I’m always fascinated/baffled that hardly any UK cow farmers use dogs.

Not the best photos as taken off a video. But thought you might like them.

 

[Hilly]

I’m always fascinated/baffled that hardly any UK cow farmers use dogs.

I do

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I fancy myself as somewhat of a numpty whisperer.... so can help to educate the public as to how I do things.

Sometimes when loading lambs, if the weather is cold I find it's best to keep your hands in your pockets for warmth so I usually just kick the lamb down the field then punt it into the back of the trailer, occasionally I miss, so need to grab it by the back leg or an ear and just lob it in, other times, it might get stuck in a tree so I grab a bit of blue alkathene pipe and give it a good thrashing until it comes down, sometimes I get lucky and as it falls I manage to drop kick it straight in so it never touches the ground.

Works well, dunnit. Apparently all NZ farmers do this also

 

[unlacedgecko]

Works well, dunnit. Apparently all NZ farmers do this also

More unfair advantages

 

[Kiwi Pete]

More unfair advantages

 

[Al R]

Works well, dunnit. Apparently all NZ farmers do this also

I was told by someone non farming the other day about what I assumed was museling, they were saying how all Aus/NZ farmers did it I did tell them that NZ didn’t do it and I’m pretty sure Aus have banned it too.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

There is no "every woman likes" just as there is no "every farmer does".

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, otherwise we'll be responsible for the extinction of dragons and sh!t

 

[Al R]

There is no "every woman likes" just as there is no "every farmer does".

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, otherwise we'll be responsible for the extinction of dragons and sh!t

“Well what happened was” that bloody big gurt dragon kept flying over burning my sheep so I got my alkathene, gave it a tap on the nose and it died boss

 

[MJT]

I’m always fascinated/baffled that hardly any UK cow farmers use dogs.

Think a lot of cow farmers value their fences too much including us . Push bunches with dogs quite often, but there’s a difference between the mess a ewe makes of a fence when she try’s to jump/ go through it compared to the mess a cow makes

 

[Henarar]

We used to have a dog that would work cows, round them up and take them up the road and lie in the gateway to stop them coming out, never had to teach her a thing.
Useless with one cow though

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

I was brought up never to use a stick with cattle and a stick was never used anywhere near our dairy herd. When I changed to a Suckler herd I bought some pure Dairy Shorthorn heifers off a very well known breeder , when I arrived to pick up the heifers they were still out in the field running with a larger group , I thought oh no we're going to be here a day sorting these and Mr Care , dear of him was bent over double & couldn't look you in the face, he said which ones are the ones you wanted again ? I pointed them out , he raised his walking stick ,Never touched a animal but calmly sorted them in the field & we walked them into the yard.
I said to him that was amazing & I was always brought up never to use a stick. He said a stick is for guidance never for hitting & that is the way I run my herd.
I don't run a bull mine are all Ai'd, this morning I brought in a 2nd Calver and she walked into the shed and waited quietly by the crush , I put a halter on her & the Ai man served her , she then took the halter off herself!
I also believe in cow whispering which some of the vets have stared in awe at.

Although I never met Mr care I know a few who did and he was not your average cattle keeper. Would have liked to see him do it with a field of 50/60.
Hope you've kept those shorthorns pure or he'll haunt you
Excessive use of pipe or stick on animal is not on ,but sometimes necessary to let them know who's boss and can stop an animal becoming dangerous and ultimately leading to them having a shorter life

 

[primmiemoo]

There was a student survey here in TFF last year (?) asking about livestock keepers' feelings about their animals. One question was about having ever hit one of the species selected by the respondent to think about.
My response was to tick the sometimes box for the cow I had in mind ~ the context being a considered dap with a hazel rod given for my self-defence or that of others, whether human or animal.

That survey gave no provision for me to say anything that gave context to my answer. It could have been woefully misunderstood, leading to gross misrepresentation.

 

[Treg]

Although I never met Mr care I know a few who did and he was not your average cattle keeper. Would have liked to see him do it with a field of 50/60.
Hope you've kept those shorthorns pure or he'll haunt you
Excessive use of pipe or stick on animal is not on ,but sometimes necessary to let them know who's boss and can stop an animal becoming dangerous and ultimately leading to them having a shorter life

Although I never met Mr care I know a few who did and he was not your average cattle keeper. Would have liked to see him do it with a field of 50/60.
Hope you've kept those shorthorns pure or he'll haunt you
Excessive use of pipe or stick on animal is not on ,but sometimes necessary to let them know who's boss and can stop an animal becoming dangerous and ultimately leading to them having a shorter life

Ah actually he had a name for not selling heifers but he liked the plan I had, which was to breed Beef Shorthorns from them (at the time there were far less Beef Shorthorns than pure Dairy Shorthorns) . We had a Gentlemans agreement that I would never register a dairy Shorthorn from them.
It was a privilege to see the way he farmed.

 

[Tarw Coch]

There was a student survey here in TFF last year (?) asking about livestock keepers' feelings about their animals. One question was about having ever hit one of the species selected by the respondent to think about.
My response was to tick the sometimes box for the cow I had in mind ~ the context being a considered dap with a hazel rod given for my self-defence or that of others, whether human or animal.

That survey gave no provision for me to say anything that gave context to my answer. It could have been woefully misunderstood, leading to gross misrepresentation.

A stick can be used in many ways, from waving as a visual deterrent to thrashing the heck out of them.
I know someone well who has worked on several farms and has come across two farmers who were both quite vocal about not using a stick handling cattle. They both had the same problem, a short fuse and when the red mist came down would go find something to thrash the heck out of them. I know who they both are, the one I have seen a bit of handling stock and I certainly wouldn’t say not having a stick makes him a good stockman.......far from it

 

[puppet]

A stick/alkathene is essential when working with suckler cows/calves. Directing and shedding is much easier than just waving your arms and when they get stuck in a huddle easier to move the one you want by reaching over.
I have (mostly) avoided some severe kicks when loading store cattle by having a stick to prod them in the right direction and probably death or severe injury when one went mental and attacked me in a pen. A clout on the nose gave me a chance to escape. But thrashing them just causes panic.

 

[Henarar]

Not very often we have a stick when handling cattle even TB testing and stuff like that. may pick up something if we are taking them down the road to help direct them but very often don't bother

 

[Fendt516profi]

Although I never met Mr care I know a few who did and he was not your average cattle keeper. Would have liked to see him do it with a field of 50/60.
Hope you've kept those shorthorns pure or he'll haunt you
Excessive use of pipe or stick on animal is not on ,but sometimes necessary to let them know who's boss and can stop an animal becoming dangerous and ultimately leading to them having a shorter life

I worked on a dairy farm and they got a new dairy bull, chap sent me to let him out of shed into yard to cows. I decided to go into dark shed to send him out then felt a head against my chest and back against wall I slipped out and just left door open. When he was out he would chase anybody across yard he chased me once and I jumped in ring feeder he put his head over top he had a ring in and a long chain I pulled it till his eyes watered while looking him in the eye then let go. After that he never bothered me again I even went to get him and led him into foot trimming crush.